By: ijozic
- 4th April 2017 at 13:28Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
New naval Tor testing which happened few days earlier.
Hmm, interesting. Not sure if they're just validating the usability of the new variant in sea conditions or they're also testing the viability of using these modules on ships (I'd presume that such modules would be convenient for ad-hoc installation on e.g. non-combat vessels?).
By: TR1
- 5th April 2017 at 20:54Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
He is trying to guess the maximum range of the Onyx given propulsion, fuel types, known dimensions, known characteristics, MOD statements, etc.
The 800km is the fringe claim, we can probably safely round that number down a fair bit.
22350M frigates are planned to be about 1,100 tons heavier than the current ships, though it also quotes the 22350 displacement as 5,300 tons; most sources to date indicated it was about 4,500 tons.
If so this will be in size true replacements for the current destroyers, and confirms Leader will be a small cruiser sized ship, whenever it appears.
22350M frigates are planned to be about 1,100 tons heavier than the current ships, though it also quotes the 22350 displacement as 5,300 tons; most sources to date indicated it was about 4,500 tons.
If so this will be in size true replacements for the current destroyers, and confirms Leader will be a small cruiser sized ship, whenever it appears.
given the armament and sensors of 22350 a 5300 ton full displacement is not impossible despite its relatively conservative/medium dimensions.
When are 22350Ms expected to start construction and enter service, and what upgrades can be expected? I assume they'll buildl at least four 22350s first?
By: Austin
- 6th April 2017 at 06:01Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
He is trying to guess the maximum range of the Onyx given propulsion, fuel types, known dimensions, known characteristics, MOD statements, etc.
The 800km is the fringe claim, we can probably safely round that number down a fair bit.
Thanks , Officially they say 350 but I think 500 km is what it should achieve , The land based bastion using same missile achieves a range of 450 km , I think if they trade of the warhead for fuel they should achieve higher range
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By: Scar
- 6th April 2017 at 13:21Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
By: stealthflanker
- 6th April 2017 at 15:10Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks , Officially they say 350 but I think 500 km is what it should achieve , The land based bastion using same missile achieves a range of 450 km , I think if they trade of the warhead for fuel they should achieve higher range
Well.. i recalled scar said that it's because the Fleet can only provide reliable target designation from that range.
Ground target and essentially non moving target is the whole other matter.
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That 800 km range is in theory are plausible. Given high ISP or Ramjets, cruise speed and Lift to drag ratio attainable by the missile. Of course you can't expect 4000-5000 sec of Isp from turbofan engine of subsonic missile but, Oniks have size to compensate.
By: JangBoGo
- 6th April 2017 at 15:55Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hmm, interesting. Not sure if they're just validating the usability of the new variant in sea conditions or they're also testing the viability of using these modules on ships (I'd presume that such modules would be convenient for ad-hoc installation on e.g. non-combat vessels?).
Its the Russian way of doing things with use of common sense!
What you see bolted on to the helipad is a complete combat unit. As I understand, their approach was very simple, rather than taking a tedious route which could have involved additional financial resources and modification to a new frigate to be used as a test bed, they likely installed the TOR combat unit already used for testing to test/validate its performance.
Yes, there is a chance to see installation of such combat modules on non-combat vessels like tankers or other support ships which already is not wired for AD systems. But likely with additional containers with missiles to go with the combat module as 8 missile per module on a ship is a very low number.
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By: TR1 - 23rd March 2017 at 06:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ayala, I think it is 431.
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By: Austin - 23rd March 2017 at 07:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Modernized Ka-27M Helicopters Join the Russian Navy
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2017-03-22/modernized-ka-27m-helicopters-join-russian-navy
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By: TR1 - 24th March 2017 at 05:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Great footage of the new Rostov-on-Don submarine. Lot's of interior stuff.
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By: Austin - 24th March 2017 at 17:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hans Kristensen @nukestrat 50m50 minutes ago
Interesting Russian MOD video on SSBN fleet, unique photos from subs, base, construction
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By: TR1 - 24th March 2017 at 20:24 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1860184.html
Photos and video of the "Arctic" Tor-M2DT variant, including testing on the helicopter pad of the Grigorovich that happened last year.
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By: TR1 - 29th March 2017 at 21:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2515970.html
During its first tests, the Chinese diesels on the project 21980 small patrol boat broke down. The previous 10 ships of the class had MTU engines.
Hopefully the same problems do not happen with the license produced MTUs in China that Russia is buying for 21631 missile boats.
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By: TR1 - 31st March 2017 at 09:51 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
OMG here we are folks. Kazan, first 885M serial sub has been launched.
https://lenta.ru/news/2017/03/31/kazan/
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By: JangBoGo - 1st April 2017 at 16:59 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Pr.885M Kazan launch. Hope to see more shots from Oleg on monday.
http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/526203.html
885M launch including some earlier footage of 855, they are the best looking subs as far as I'm concerned. Simply love its lines.
other videos of the launch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFhSqKWSOTI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjPe4B8HaMw
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By: JangBoGo - 1st April 2017 at 17:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
New naval Tor testing which happened few days earlier.
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By: TR1 - 3rd April 2017 at 20:46 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://dambiev.livejournal.com/760088.html
Some nice recent Kuznetsov pics.
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By: ijozic - 4th April 2017 at 13:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hmm, interesting. Not sure if they're just validating the usability of the new variant in sea conditions or they're also testing the viability of using these modules on ships (I'd presume that such modules would be convenient for ad-hoc installation on e.g. non-combat vessels?).
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By: Austin - 5th April 2017 at 12:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
"Onyx": 800 km - Myth or Reality?
http://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/158387.html
^^ What exactly is he trying to say ?
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By: TR1 - 5th April 2017 at 20:54 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
He is trying to guess the maximum range of the Onyx given propulsion, fuel types, known dimensions, known characteristics, MOD statements, etc.
The 800km is the fringe claim, we can probably safely round that number down a fair bit.
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By: TR1 - 5th April 2017 at 22:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2531981.html
http://altyn73.livejournal.com/1129016.html
Photos of the Zvezda engine and gearbox manufacturing facilities. The old facilities plus the new section.
http://dambiev.livejournal.com/761609.html
First Amur/Pacific 20380, Sovershenyy out on trials.
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By: TR1 - 5th April 2017 at 23:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2531981.html
Bal @ the Kurils.
http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/701626.html
22350M frigates are planned to be about 1,100 tons heavier than the current ships, though it also quotes the 22350 displacement as 5,300 tons; most sources to date indicated it was about 4,500 tons.
If so this will be in size true replacements for the current destroyers, and confirms Leader will be a small cruiser sized ship, whenever it appears.
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By: Blitzo - 6th April 2017 at 05:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
given the armament and sensors of 22350 a 5300 ton full displacement is not impossible despite its relatively conservative/medium dimensions.
When are 22350Ms expected to start construction and enter service, and what upgrades can be expected? I assume they'll buildl at least four 22350s first?
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By: Austin - 6th April 2017 at 06:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks , Officially they say 350 but I think 500 km is what it should achieve , The land based bastion using same missile achieves a range of 450 km , I think if they trade of the warhead for fuel they should achieve higher range
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By: Scar - 6th April 2017 at 13:21 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Bullsh!t IMO.
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By: stealthflanker - 6th April 2017 at 15:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well.. i recalled scar said that it's because the Fleet can only provide reliable target designation from that range.
Ground target and essentially non moving target is the whole other matter.
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That 800 km range is in theory are plausible. Given high ISP or Ramjets, cruise speed and Lift to drag ratio attainable by the missile. Of course you can't expect 4000-5000 sec of Isp from turbofan engine of subsonic missile but, Oniks have size to compensate.
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By: JangBoGo - 6th April 2017 at 15:55 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Its the Russian way of doing things with use of common sense!
What you see bolted on to the helipad is a complete combat unit. As I understand, their approach was very simple, rather than taking a tedious route which could have involved additional financial resources and modification to a new frigate to be used as a test bed, they likely installed the TOR combat unit already used for testing to test/validate its performance.
Yes, there is a chance to see installation of such combat modules on non-combat vessels like tankers or other support ships which already is not wired for AD systems. But likely with additional containers with missiles to go with the combat module as 8 missile per module on a ship is a very low number.