By: longshot
- 25th September 2014 at 14:28Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I did wonder if it was Ferryfield/Lydd or Manston for a bit then it clicked.....I used to yoyo up and down the A30 a bit....but these days I'm at the end of my tether :-)
By: farnboroughrob
- 25th September 2014 at 16:19Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks for that one Matheson that is indeed looking towards the Eagle hangar in the background with a further nissen hut by the A30. to complete the picture on the right hand side beyond the building is the bus stop and shelter where the airline buses would pick up arriving passengers to transport then to the Victoria Air Terminal in London.
It is really not an airport as we know it now, not a single shop, my wife would have hated it!!!
By: Ian Sayer
- 27th May 2015 at 17:21Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The South East LAP Mob (1957-1961)
I was going through some old diaries recently and came across many entries from 1958 to 1960 relating to my aircraft spotting days. This led me to this thread which I see exhausted itself last year. However I noticed that a lot of posts were made by former spotters who mainly carried out their activities from the North side of LAP so I thought it might be appropriate to mention those of us who tended to practice our hobby from the South Side particularly around Cains Lane and on the airport side of the Great West Road where we used to congregate around a sandbin and an RAC box if my memory serves me correctly.
There are many names in my diaries which do not fully identify the individuals concerned. I sometimes referred to them by their first names, sometimes by their surnames and more often than not by their nicknames. The group was more often than not known colloquially as The South East LAP mob. It was an informal group with no administration . Just a group of people who hung around together collecting aircraft registrations. I also mentioned people who were just occasional visitors and not part of the 'mob'. These would include such well known names as Brian Stainer the photographer and Frank Hudson , another photographer and spotter of many years standing. Many of us used to bike or bus to such wonderful places as Croydon Airport, White Waltham and Fairoaks where we had great fun in getting into the hangars through holes in fences etc.
On occasions there was some formality and I recall in particular a coach trip to the Coventry Air Show on the 11th July 1959 when 41 members of the 'mob' enjoyed a great day out which ended with a sing song on the coach and the acquisition of several advertising and road signs.
Quite a few of the group came from local schools such as Hampton (HGS) and Sunbury Grammar School (SGS)s, Longford and Southville schools in Feltham.
One of my spotting mates , Kenny Ede, who I went to school with, has helped me to piece together a number of names and, as a result, I now know more about some of these people than when our paths crossed over half a century ago.
Anyway I thought I would post the names from my diaries just for the sake of it. You might recognise yourself here or you might know the real name of somebody only referred to by a nickname but I would be interested to see any responses.
These then are the people I encountered at the end of Cains Lane between 1958 and 1962 when I got my first job and started thinking more about girls than aircraft. Some were there all the time, some were there occasionally and others just for the odd visit.
Kenny Ede (HGS) Bedfont
Terry O'Halloran , Feltham. Ex Longford. Joined RAF
Pete Watkins
Frank Hudson. Ashford. Killed in motorbike accident.
Ronnie LNU (Last Name Unknown)
Virgo
Bess
Danny LNU
Clive Rayner (Nickname 'Tank') Feltham
Rodney LNU
'Shrimp'
'Toad'
Vic Southern
Ian Woodward (Nickname 'Fluff')
Stan Rogers (Went to Australia)
'Goblin' (Surname may have been Godwin)
John Goodrich
'Jacko'
Pete Whymark
'Sausage'
Ted Burly
Vic Penny (HGS)
Brian Dedman (HGS)
Tony Galler (SGS)
FNU (First name unknown) McCloud
'Giant'
Mick (LNU)
Colin LNU (Possibly HGS)
Doug Revell
Ken Haywood
FNU Nightingale
'Banger'
Willie (LNU)
John James
D Smiley (Possibly Dave (Smiley) Stevens)
Roger Painter (Longford)
Barry Hawkes (HGS)
Paul (LNU)
John Davison (Nickname D-Day)
Dave Clark (Possibly nicknamed 'Fulham')
John Wilby
Gordon LNU (Rode a Lambretta)
John Coulbeck
Ray LNU (Policeman from Staines area)
Ian Trott
Les Fenn (HGS)
Tony Newton (HGS)
Graham Taylor - Feltham
Gary LNU
Pete Worrell
Tony Carey
George Wayne (HGS)
Roger Davies (Known as 'Dai' . Worked at Gresham Transformers
'Birdy'
Fred Mundy (HGS)
FNU Ward
Dick Hawker
Richard Presland Bedfont
Barry Harmes (HGS)
Malcolm Hunt
Alun Jones (HGS)
John Phillips (Staines)
Colin Randall (Feltham)
Maurice Davies (Feltham)
FNU Riddlesdown
Roger Hoodless (HGS)[ATTACH=CONFIG]237726[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]237726[/ATTACH]
By: Tango Charlie
- 27th May 2015 at 21:32Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I was going through some old diaries recently and came across many entries from 1958 to 1960 relating to my aircraft spotting days. This led me to this thread which I see exhausted itself last year. However I noticed that a lot of posts were made by former spotters who mainly carried out their activities from the North side of LAP so I thought it might be appropriate to mention those of us who tended to practice our hobby from the South Side particularly around Cains Lane and on the airport side of the Great West Road where we used to congregate around a sandbin and an RAC box if my memory serves me correctly.
There are many names in my diaries which do not fully identify the individuals concerned. I sometimes referred to them by their first names, sometimes by their surnames and more often than not by their nicknames. The group was more often than not known colloquially as The South East LAP mob. It was an informal group with no administration . Just a group of people who hung around together collecting aircraft registrations. I also mentioned people who were just occasional visitors and not part of the 'mob'. These would include such well known names as Brian Stainer the photographer and Frank Hudson , another photographer and spotter of many years standing. Many of us used to bike or bus to such wonderful places as Croydon Airport, White Waltham and Fairoaks where we had great fun in getting into the hangars through holes in fences etc.
On occasions there was some formality and I recall in particular a coach trip to the Coventry Air Show on the 11th July 1959 when 41 members of the 'mob' enjoyed a great day out which ended with a sing song on the coach and the acquisition of several advertising and road signs.
Quite a few of the group came from local schools such as Hampton (HGS) and Sunbury Grammar School (SGS)s, Longford and Southville schools in Feltham.
One of my spotting mates , Kenny Ede, who I went to school with, has helped me to piece together a number of names and, as a result, I now know more about some of these people than when our paths crossed over half a century ago.
Anyway I thought I would post the names from my diaries just for the sake of it. You might recognise yourself here or you might know the real name of somebody only referred to by a nickname but I would be interested to see any responses.
These then are the people I encountered at the end of Cains Lane between 1958 and 1962 when I got my first job and started thinking more about girls than aircraft. Some were there all the time, some were there occasionally and others just for the odd visit.
Kenny Ede (HGS) Bedfont
Terry O'Halloran , Feltham. Ex Longford. Joined RAF
Pete Watkins
Frank Hudson. Ashford. Killed in motorbike accident.
Ronnie LNU (Last Name Unknown)
Virgo
Bess
Danny LNU
Clive Rayner (Nickname 'Tank') Feltham
Rodney LNU
'Shrimp'
'Toad'
Vic Southern
Ian Woodward (Nickname 'Fluff')
Stan Rogers (Went to Australia)
'Goblin' (Surname may have been Godwin)
John Goodrich
'Jacko'
Pete Whymark
'Sausage'
Ted Burly
Vic Penny (HGS)
Brian Dedman (HGS)
Tony Galler (SGS)
FNU (First name unknown) McCloud
'Giant'
Mick (LNU)
Colin LNU (Possibly HGS)
Doug Revell
Ken Haywood
FNU Nightingale
'Banger'
Willie (LNU)
John James
D Smiley (Possibly Dave (Smiley) Stevens)
Roger Painter (Longford)
Barry Hawkes (HGS)
Paul (LNU)
John Davison (Nickname D-Day)
Dave Clark (Possibly nicknamed 'Fulham')
John Wilby
Gordon LNU (Rode a Lambretta)
John Coulbeck
Ray LNU (Policeman from Staines area)
Ian Trott
Les Fenn (HGS)
Tony Newton (HGS)
Graham Taylor - Feltham
Gary LNU
Pete Worrell
Tony Carey
George Wayne (HGS)
Roger Davies (Known as 'Dai' . Worked at Gresham Transformers
'Birdy'
Fred Mundy (HGS)
FNU Ward
Dick Hawker
Richard Presland Bedfont
Barry Harmes (HGS)
Malcolm Hunt
Alun Jones (HGS)
John Phillips (Staines)
Colin Randall (Feltham)
Maurice Davies (Feltham)
FNU Riddlesdown
Roger Hoodless (HGS)[ATTACH=CONFIG]237726[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]237726[/ATTACH]
With 9 pages to trawl through not sure if this film has already been posted here. If not rather sums up what Heathrow or LAP was all about in the 1950's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0OzqWL8h38
Enjoy
By: steve jaksic
- 28th May 2015 at 10:31Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
G'Day All, I realise its "Heathrow in the 50's'. As a young guy I spent a lot of my time After school, during school, weekends at Heathrow in the mid to late 60's. My family moved to Australia in 1969. Used to hang out with two guys, Peter Lowder and Steve Chinnery. Are they still around? Regards form Perth, W.A.:cool:
By: mike bb
- 29th May 2015 at 23:49Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
In response to Ian Sayer's evocative list of names i offer just one suggestion that Gordon with a Lambretta might have been Gordon Perry who came from Heston and went to school in Hounslow.
I myself frequently hung around various bits of LAP between 1956 and 1961 and occasionally biked it to places like Blackbushe, Denham and Fairoaks. Old photos bring back memories!
By: connie freak
- 14th June 2015 at 18:15Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Great to see this thread is still live. Though I was a North side lad, I remember we had visits from Pete "Tommo" Thompson and John Rogers ("Snoggs"). Any of you South-siders know these guys. Snoggs and I still keep in touch.
Attached a pic of my north side model. The cargo shed is a mock up in the full ramp shot.
The congestion on the closed runway 28R is the BEA operation which continued after they completely quit Northolt in Oct 1954 until they were installed in the Europa Building mid-1955?
See R.A. Scholefields fab. shot from a BEA Bristol Sycamore helicopter!! www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1242115/
and a view out onto the Northside tarmac, same period from the gap by the KLM offices which were a little west of the cargo sheds at the eastern end of the tarmac (my dad, dark suit, arms folded) www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1001018/
Re Frank Hudson in the list of 50s spotters...he became a supervisor at BOAC cargo by the sharp chicane bend on the northside perimeter road....his son Mike (jesterhud on Key) put many of his pics 50s-70s on abpic and airliners.net some years ago....regards,Mick West
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By: Anon - 24th September 2014 at 21:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Re-post No. 258: which one's you then, Peter?
Anon.
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By: longshot - 25th September 2014 at 14:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I did wonder if it was Ferryfield/Lydd or Manston for a bit then it clicked.....I used to yoyo up and down the A30 a bit....but these days I'm at the end of my tether :-)
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By: farnboroughrob - 25th September 2014 at 16:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks for that one Matheson that is indeed looking towards the Eagle hangar in the background with a further nissen hut by the A30. to complete the picture on the right hand side beyond the building is the bus stop and shelter where the airline buses would pick up arriving passengers to transport then to the Victoria Air Terminal in London.
It is really not an airport as we know it now, not a single shop, my wife would have hated it!!!
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By: longshot - 25th September 2014 at 17:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This must show the terminal building from the opposite direction to the screengrabs....think I popped in on the way back from Yeovilton Air Day 1971?
This was a little earlier, my first visit, Farnborough week 1958....showing the A30 traffic behind
And after this brief Blackbushe diversion , back to Heathrow Northside 1968
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By: PeterVerney - 26th September 2014 at 20:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Mike Davey. The long streak of .... Second from left.
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By: Ian Sayer - 27th May 2015 at 17:21 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The South East LAP Mob (1957-1961)
I was going through some old diaries recently and came across many entries from 1958 to 1960 relating to my aircraft spotting days. This led me to this thread which I see exhausted itself last year. However I noticed that a lot of posts were made by former spotters who mainly carried out their activities from the North side of LAP so I thought it might be appropriate to mention those of us who tended to practice our hobby from the South Side particularly around Cains Lane and on the airport side of the Great West Road where we used to congregate around a sandbin and an RAC box if my memory serves me correctly.
There are many names in my diaries which do not fully identify the individuals concerned. I sometimes referred to them by their first names, sometimes by their surnames and more often than not by their nicknames. The group was more often than not known colloquially as The South East LAP mob. It was an informal group with no administration . Just a group of people who hung around together collecting aircraft registrations. I also mentioned people who were just occasional visitors and not part of the 'mob'. These would include such well known names as Brian Stainer the photographer and Frank Hudson , another photographer and spotter of many years standing. Many of us used to bike or bus to such wonderful places as Croydon Airport, White Waltham and Fairoaks where we had great fun in getting into the hangars through holes in fences etc.
On occasions there was some formality and I recall in particular a coach trip to the Coventry Air Show on the 11th July 1959 when 41 members of the 'mob' enjoyed a great day out which ended with a sing song on the coach and the acquisition of several advertising and road signs.
Quite a few of the group came from local schools such as Hampton (HGS) and Sunbury Grammar School (SGS)s, Longford and Southville schools in Feltham.
One of my spotting mates , Kenny Ede, who I went to school with, has helped me to piece together a number of names and, as a result, I now know more about some of these people than when our paths crossed over half a century ago.
Anyway I thought I would post the names from my diaries just for the sake of it. You might recognise yourself here or you might know the real name of somebody only referred to by a nickname but I would be interested to see any responses.
These then are the people I encountered at the end of Cains Lane between 1958 and 1962 when I got my first job and started thinking more about girls than aircraft. Some were there all the time, some were there occasionally and others just for the odd visit.
Kenny Ede (HGS) Bedfont
Terry O'Halloran , Feltham. Ex Longford. Joined RAF
Pete Watkins
Frank Hudson. Ashford. Killed in motorbike accident.
Ronnie LNU (Last Name Unknown)
Virgo
Bess
Danny LNU
Clive Rayner (Nickname 'Tank') Feltham
Rodney LNU
'Shrimp'
'Toad'
Vic Southern
Ian Woodward (Nickname 'Fluff')
Stan Rogers (Went to Australia)
'Goblin' (Surname may have been Godwin)
John Goodrich
'Jacko'
Pete Whymark
'Sausage'
Ted Burly
Vic Penny (HGS)
Brian Dedman (HGS)
Tony Galler (SGS)
FNU (First name unknown) McCloud
'Giant'
Mick (LNU)
Colin LNU (Possibly HGS)
Doug Revell
Ken Haywood
FNU Nightingale
'Banger'
Willie (LNU)
John James
D Smiley (Possibly Dave (Smiley) Stevens)
Roger Painter (Longford)
Barry Hawkes (HGS)
Paul (LNU)
John Davison (Nickname D-Day)
Dave Clark (Possibly nicknamed 'Fulham')
John Wilby
Gordon LNU (Rode a Lambretta)
John Coulbeck
Ray LNU (Policeman from Staines area)
Ian Trott
Les Fenn (HGS)
Tony Newton (HGS)
Graham Taylor - Feltham
Gary LNU
Pete Worrell
Tony Carey
George Wayne (HGS)
Roger Davies (Known as 'Dai' . Worked at Gresham Transformers
'Birdy'
Fred Mundy (HGS)
FNU Ward
Dick Hawker
Richard Presland Bedfont
Barry Harmes (HGS)
Malcolm Hunt
Alun Jones (HGS)
John Phillips (Staines)
Colin Randall (Feltham)
Maurice Davies (Feltham)
FNU Riddlesdown
Roger Hoodless (HGS)[ATTACH=CONFIG]237726[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]237726[/ATTACH]
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By: Tango Charlie - 27th May 2015 at 21:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
With 9 pages to trawl through not sure if this film has already been posted here. If not rather sums up what Heathrow or LAP was all about in the 1950's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0OzqWL8h38
Enjoy
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By: steve jaksic - 28th May 2015 at 10:31 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
G'Day All, I realise its "Heathrow in the 50's'. As a young guy I spent a lot of my time After school, during school, weekends at Heathrow in the mid to late 60's. My family moved to Australia in 1969. Used to hang out with two guys, Peter Lowder and Steve Chinnery. Are they still around? Regards form Perth, W.A.:cool:
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By: The Navigator - 29th May 2015 at 00:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Some good memories for me, here's a photo taken by my late father, which I think dates to 1958-1959.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]237764[/ATTACH]
Regards, Rich.
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By: mike bb - 29th May 2015 at 23:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
In response to Ian Sayer's evocative list of names i offer just one suggestion that Gordon with a Lambretta might have been Gordon Perry who came from Heston and went to school in Hounslow.
I myself frequently hung around various bits of LAP between 1956 and 1961 and occasionally biked it to places like Blackbushe, Denham and Fairoaks. Old photos bring back memories!
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By: Ian Sayer - 14th June 2015 at 10:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks mike bb. It sounds familiar. If I recollect correctly he had black slicked down hair. I'll make some enquiries.
Regards
Ian
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By: connie freak - 14th June 2015 at 18:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Great to see this thread is still live. Though I was a North side lad, I remember we had visits from Pete "Tommo" Thompson and John Rogers ("Snoggs"). Any of you South-siders know these guys. Snoggs and I still keep in touch.
Attached a pic of my north side model. The cargo shed is a mock up in the full ramp shot.
Tom
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By: Ian Sayer - 14th June 2015 at 21:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Tom
Can you mark up some of these buildings so that some of us can get a fix . Thanks Ian
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By: connie freak - 14th June 2015 at 22:30 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
hope this pic of the real thing will help.
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By: Ian Sayer - 15th June 2015 at 09:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks Connie Freak. That's very helpful
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By: longshot - 17th June 2015 at 14:42 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hi connie freak, banupa et al.....Nice view of the 1954 Northside in #275. I just found this one in the Getty Editorial archive...[embed function seems to have stopped :-( ]
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/england-london-airport-showing-cars-by-the-runway-news-photo/78960949
The congestion on the closed runway 28R is the BEA operation which continued after they completely quit Northolt in Oct 1954 until they were installed in the Europa Building mid-1955?
See R.A. Scholefields fab. shot from a BEA Bristol Sycamore helicopter!! www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1242115/
and a view out onto the Northside tarmac, same period from the gap by the KLM offices which were a little west of the cargo sheds at the eastern end of the tarmac (my dad, dark suit, arms folded) www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1001018/
Re Frank Hudson in the list of 50s spotters...he became a supervisor at BOAC cargo by the sharp chicane bend on the northside perimeter road....his son Mike (jesterhud on Key) put many of his pics 50s-70s on abpic and airliners.net some years ago....regards,Mick West
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By: Ian Sayer - 17th June 2015 at 15:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hello Mick
Yes I knew Frank Hudson many years later when he became an executive in the air freight industry.
Regards
Ian Sayer
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By: longshot - 17th June 2015 at 16:30 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Some northside shots from Frank Hudson's sets, top two from BOAC cargo top floor window, I think
www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1001282/
www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1001513/
and the Languedoc shot shows 28R being used for aircraft parking by the sole Canadair C-5 and a BEA Ambassador
www.airliners.net/photo/Air-France/Sud-Est-SE-161-Languedoc/1067035/L/
edit: and I just stumbled on a Getty page of shots which must have been assembled for the 65th anniversary of London Airport in 2011?
www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/waterlogged-runways-at-londons-heathrow-airport-one-week-news-photo/3069465
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By: scotavia - 17th June 2015 at 17:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Mary Guthrie featured as an air hostess in the getty pics was an ATA pilot as well https://www.flickr.com/photos/7691137@N06/5397336591
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By: Ian Sayer - 17th June 2015 at 17:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks Mick and Scotavia