By: orko_8
- 7th February 2012 at 16:33Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well . . . Italian firms have a share in the EJ200 engine, a larger share (much of it through a UK subsidiary) in the CAPTOR radar, plus other fighter radars, including AESA, built by both the Italian & UK branches of that firm, & numerous other skills which would be valuable for a new fighter. They also have aerospace marketing & support networks worldwide. It's probably the best offer of co-operation Turkey has had so far.
We could imagine a mix of Eurofighter, OTS (Italian, Turkish & imported), & newly-developed Turco-Italian systems in a jointly-developed new airframe.
Italians have been pushing extremely hard for Typhoon in Turkey for at least 6 years. They even hosted a couple of Turkish fighter pilots in Italy for a test flight with a Tranche 1 Typhoon of the AMI, apparently with not so much satisfactory results. During the last IDEF exhibition in May 2011, the Eurofighter official told me that they were offering the "EF-2020" version for air-to-air optimized missions (but images showing a multirole configuration with CFT's and Storm Shadows) however, they are also interested in providing subsystems technology of the Typhoon to Turkey. There was a mock up of the radar and the engine at the pavillion.
By: raptor2019
- 1st March 2012 at 21:35Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
TAI launches study on Turkish-built next generation fighter
The Ministry of National Defence awarded a contract in August to TAI to launch an 18-month feasibility study on the so-called TFX programme, said Ali Yilmaz Guldogan, vice-president of strategic planning and industrial co-operation.
A 40-strong staff comprising representatives from the Turkish Air Force, TAI and the undersecretary of defence industries is now preparing to deliver the study in early 2013.
By: datafuser
- 2nd March 2012 at 00:49Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
TAI launches study on Turkish-built next generation fighter
The Ministry of National Defence awarded a contract in August to TAI to launch an 18-month feasibility study on the so-called TFX programme, said Ali Yilmaz Guldogan, vice-president of strategic planning and industrial co-operation.
A 40-strong staff comprising representatives from the Turkish Air Force, TAI and the undersecretary of defence industries is now preparing to deliver the study in early 2013.
Any hint whether it would be a single engine Gripen- or F-16 Falcon-sized fighter or a twin engine Eurofighter/Rafale-sized one?
By: orko_8
- 2nd March 2012 at 08:00Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Any hint whether it would be a single engine Gripen- or F-16 Falcon-sized fighter or a twin engine Eurofighter/Rafale-sized one?
The concept definition phase is underway but local defence media reports that it is going to be air defence / interceptor focused aircraft to supplement F-35.
By: datafuser
- 2nd March 2012 at 08:28Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The concept definition phase is underway but local defence media reports that it is going to be air defence / interceptor focused aircraft to supplement F-35.
No info wheher it would be a single- or twin-engined design?
By: medal64
- 7th April 2012 at 13:23Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Turkish jet fighter TF-X project time plan meeting...
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By: MadRat
- 7th April 2012 at 22:35Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
When the FC-1 demonstrator flew with the green crescent I imagined a Turkish version. Now that they can manufacture F-16 it is less than likely they would ever go for an FC-1 derivative. But imagine if they bought the Lavi design several years back and opted for an EJ200-powered Lavi spinoff. Now that relations with Israel are a tangled mess that won't happen. What could they possibly afford to augment F-35 except for something considerably smaller, something more like a 5G F-16 spinoff?
By: EagleSpirit
- 7th April 2012 at 23:23Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Turkish jet fighter TF-X project time plan meeting...
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Untill 2013 conceptual design, between 2013-2023 system development and presentation, 2023 first flight, between 2023-2025 flight tests and development, between 2023-2035 production and entry to the service, 2035 to 2065 operational use and support.
Thanks to the DENO from militaryphotos..:)
People are saying even korea is pushing it and should buy (more) F-35s. Looking at the dates they are going to want a 5th gen fighter and if so who are they going to partner with/pay for it?
By: medal64
- 8th April 2012 at 08:13Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
People are saying even korea is pushing it and should buy (more) F-35s. Looking at the dates they are going to want a 5th gen fighter and if so who are they going to partner with/pay for it?
Pobably in the coming years it will be more clear about the future partners of the program but according the latest news TAI is working wih the SAAB Aircraft for the conceptual design, after talks with the other offered manufacturers (Lockheed Martin, Alenia Aeronautica). KAI didn't want to participate the program because of its own fighter program and has started intergovermental talks and Boeing Aircraft has opted out. It will be developed to operate along with the F-35 in the future and will be replaced with the F-4s and aged F-16s and it will have an advanced jet trainer version. According the undersecretariat of defence in 2014 the conceptual design of the aircraft gonna finish and probably we can have more details about the bird, if how advanced its gonna be. It shouldn't be forgetten that it will fly in 2023 and probably most of the systems will be more advanced than the todays fighters because of the nature of the technology, lets wait and see...
By: datafuser
- 10th April 2012 at 13:35Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It will be developed to operate along with the F-35 in the future and will be replaced with the F-4s and aged F-16s and it will have an advanced jet trainer version.
Does the "advanced jet trainer version" mean an operational conversion trainer like the F-16B or a dedicated trainer like the T-50/M-346?
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By: orko_8 - 7th February 2012 at 16:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Italians have been pushing extremely hard for Typhoon in Turkey for at least 6 years. They even hosted a couple of Turkish fighter pilots in Italy for a test flight with a Tranche 1 Typhoon of the AMI, apparently with not so much satisfactory results. During the last IDEF exhibition in May 2011, the Eurofighter official told me that they were offering the "EF-2020" version for air-to-air optimized missions (but images showing a multirole configuration with CFT's and Storm Shadows) however, they are also interested in providing subsystems technology of the Typhoon to Turkey. There was a mock up of the radar and the engine at the pavillion.
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By: medal64 - 24th February 2012 at 08:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
F-16 history in Turkey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcWGKE5iy8o&feature=player_embedded
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By: raptor2019 - 1st March 2012 at 21:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
TAI launches study on Turkish-built next generation fighter
The Ministry of National Defence awarded a contract in August to TAI to launch an 18-month feasibility study on the so-called TFX programme, said Ali Yilmaz Guldogan, vice-president of strategic planning and industrial co-operation.
A 40-strong staff comprising representatives from the Turkish Air Force, TAI and the undersecretary of defence industries is now preparing to deliver the study in early 2013.
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By: datafuser - 2nd March 2012 at 00:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Any hint whether it would be a single engine Gripen- or F-16 Falcon-sized fighter or a twin engine Eurofighter/Rafale-sized one?
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By: orko_8 - 2nd March 2012 at 08:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The concept definition phase is underway but local defence media reports that it is going to be air defence / interceptor focused aircraft to supplement F-35.
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By: datafuser - 2nd March 2012 at 08:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
No info wheher it would be a single- or twin-engined design?
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By: orko_8 - 2nd March 2012 at 08:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
No solid information yet.
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By: medal64 - 7th April 2012 at 13:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Turkey in talks for 10 Anka UAVs
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/turkey-in-talks-for-10-anka-uavs-370435/
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By: medal64 - 7th April 2012 at 13:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Turkish jet fighter TF-X project time plan meeting...
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Untill 2013 conceptual design, between 2013-2023 system development and presentation, 2023 first flight, between 2023-2025 flight tests and development, between 2023-2035 production and entry to the service, 2035 to 2065 operational use and support.
Thanks to the DENO from militaryphotos..:)
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By: Deino - 7th April 2012 at 14:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Funny ... they use the Chinese XXJ/J-14 CG to "illustrate" their own new type !!! :D
Deino
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By: medal64 - 7th April 2012 at 18:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
You funny too, is it officially for JXX or XJJ or J-14 ? It used as representational picture not as the real bird!
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By: Deino - 7th April 2012 at 18:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
:diablo::diablo:
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By: medal64 - 7th April 2012 at 18:46 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
:D:D
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By: J-20 Hotdog - 7th April 2012 at 20:42 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
its a very well known photoshop thats been floating around on the internet. TAI fail!
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By: MadRat - 7th April 2012 at 22:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
When the FC-1 demonstrator flew with the green crescent I imagined a Turkish version. Now that they can manufacture F-16 it is less than likely they would ever go for an FC-1 derivative. But imagine if they bought the Lavi design several years back and opted for an EJ200-powered Lavi spinoff. Now that relations with Israel are a tangled mess that won't happen. What could they possibly afford to augment F-35 except for something considerably smaller, something more like a 5G F-16 spinoff?
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By: EagleSpirit - 7th April 2012 at 23:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
People are saying even korea is pushing it and should buy (more) F-35s. Looking at the dates they are going to want a 5th gen fighter and if so who are they going to partner with/pay for it?
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By: medal64 - 8th April 2012 at 08:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Pobably in the coming years it will be more clear about the future partners of the program but according the latest news TAI is working wih the SAAB Aircraft for the conceptual design, after talks with the other offered manufacturers (Lockheed Martin, Alenia Aeronautica). KAI didn't want to participate the program because of its own fighter program and has started intergovermental talks and Boeing Aircraft has opted out. It will be developed to operate along with the F-35 in the future and will be replaced with the F-4s and aged F-16s and it will have an advanced jet trainer version. According the undersecretariat of defence in 2014 the conceptual design of the aircraft gonna finish and probably we can have more details about the bird, if how advanced its gonna be. It shouldn't be forgetten that it will fly in 2023 and probably most of the systems will be more advanced than the todays fighters because of the nature of the technology, lets wait and see...
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By: mikoyan1991 - 9th April 2012 at 19:30 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
How many f-35 is turkey planning to buy ?
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By: medal64 - 10th April 2012 at 11:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
100+19 =119 F-35s for the future plans.
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By: datafuser - 10th April 2012 at 13:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Does the "advanced jet trainer version" mean an operational conversion trainer like the F-16B or a dedicated trainer like the T-50/M-346?