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By: - 1st November 2008 at 17:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
A rare old Italian
I wonder if these two pictures fit in this new thread. They are part of the collection that Tony Tubbenhauer took at Benghazi in 1943, and that we published on http://l.garey.googlepages.com/benghazigraveyard
Two views of an interesting SM79. This is not the usual hunchbacked bomber version, but an SM79T "Atlantici" of which three were used on the famous flight from Rome to Rio in January 1938. The wording on the fuselage is:
ALA LITTORIA S.A. LINEE ATLANTICHE
This is probably I-ALAN, used for regular flights between Italy and Brazil, mostly for mail. In May-June 1940 it was impressed in military service, still in civil markings, for flights in the Mediterranean area and to Abyssinia. On July 16 1940, en route to Abyssinia, it aborted take off at Benghazi and the undercarriage collapsed. British troops found the wreck in February 1941, and Tony found it still there in 1943 when flying Baltimores with 203 Sqd RAF.
Laurence Garey
By: - 1st November 2008 at 22:46 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Here's another transport type which you don't see too often, the Arado Ar 232 Tausendfussler (Millipede). 22 were built.
Tillerman
By: - 2nd November 2008 at 00:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks, l.carey....wonderful photos...it's so hard to find records of the 2 year S. Atlantic landplane service by LATI
Tillerman...I shall read up 'Winkle' Brown's comments on the Arado 232 tonight!
By: - 2nd November 2008 at 00:54 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Breda Transports
Breda Zappata BZ308 and Breda 44 company photos, web sources...Breda Pittoni BP471 company photo scanned from Janes A.W.A 1951/52 (info Air Britain ab-ix forum/and Tony Pratt)... registered I-BIPI very appropriate :)... The historical group ISEC say they'll add some more pics of the BP471 to this Breda Aeronautica album on Flickr soon
Does anyone on this forum know if the Breda 44 really contained any design elements of the DH Dragon or Rapide, or it is just a myth that Breda had a DH licence?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fondazioneisec/sets/72157606218595385/
By: - 2nd November 2008 at 13:38 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The curvy Sud-Ouest Bretagne
Resulting from a prompt by 'avion ancien' on the 'post-1939'thread http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=85176
a shapely French transport designed in WWII, which I photographed 50 years ago with my Brownie 127 at Blackbushe during Farnborough week
On the link to the excellent 1000 Aircraft Photos site a manufacturers shot of the Nene powered Bretagne development, the SO-30R
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/4343L.jpg
By: - 2nd November 2008 at 20:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Some horrible little pics ! sorry ! Keith
Augusta AZ 8
HPR 3 Herald
By: - 3rd November 2008 at 01:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Agusta AZ-8
Thanks, keithnewsome....a Flightglobal pic on this link
http://flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1958/1958-1-%20-%200148.html?search=agusta%20az-8
on that page there's a mention of a 'Republic Rainbow' pitched between the Viscount and Electra in size with Dart or T-64 engines...a new one for me ...I'd heard of the 1946 Rainbow, piston powered though......also came across an Agusta AZ.1 project with twin Proteus turboprops on another Flight page
By: - 6th November 2008 at 00:42 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Scottish Aviation Twin Pioneer
JF Airlines services from Portsmouth to the Channel Islands about 1971 was a rare use of the Twin Pioneer in the U.K....it was slower than some helicopters. The YAK-40 jet (I-JAKA) had been demonstrated to JF Airlines on Portsmouth's grass airfield a few days before I took this photo....I wonder if someone has a pic of the YAK-40 there
By: - 6th November 2008 at 00:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Breda Zappata BZ308 and Breda 44 company photos, web sources...Breda Pittoni BP471 company photo scanned from Janes A.W.A 1951/52 (info Air Britain ab-ix forum/and Tony Pratt)... registered I-BIPI very appropriate :)... The historical group ISEC say they'll add some more pics of the BP471 to this Breda Aeronautica album on Flickr soonIf Breda didn't have a DH licence then there was certainly some pinching of ideas going on by the look of the 44, looks just like a Rapide. Oopsd sorry just had another look. Those wing tips are more Dragon than Rapide.Does anyone on this forum know if the Breda 44 really contained any design elements of the DH Dragon or Rapide, or it is just a myth that Breda had a DH licence?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fondazioneisec/sets/72157606218595385/
By: - 6th November 2008 at 22:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Tu-70
Tupolev reverse engineered the Tu-4 bomber and this from the B-29s crashlanded near Vladivostok in 1944
By: - 6th November 2008 at 22:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
JF Airlines services from Portsmouth to the Channel Islands about 1971 was a rare use of the Twin Pioneer in the U.K....it was slower than some helicopters. The YAK-40 jet (I-JAKA) had been demonstrated to JF Airlines on Portsmouth's grass airfield a few days before I took this photo....I wonder if someone has a pic of the YAK-40 there
There's a very interesting history to JF Airlines that deserves to be told (or maybe someone has already done so). In the meantime I wonder if a certain forumite wants to post images of their Herons or Islanders not only at Portsmouth but also at Shoreham.
By: - 6th November 2008 at 23:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Republic Rainbow
Republic produced the XR-12 photo reconnaissance aircraft at the end of WWII....the high speed Rainbow airliner project was derived from it and Pan Am expressed an interest (pic from Stinsonflyer site...home of some great photos)
How a Pan Am Rainbow might have looked...
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2501471570048918155xwsbOi
By: - 6th November 2008 at 23:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
AW 55 Apollo
The pretty Apollo was a contemporary of the Viscount but didn't go into production....its engines the Armstrong Siddeley Mamba reached maturity in the Fairey Gannet....this is VX220
By: - 6th November 2008 at 23:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Northrop C-120 Raider
Few Raiders were built....this one (pic from excellent Stinsonflyer site) was in an Arctic Rescue unit....Canadair negotiated a licence but did not build any
By: - 6th November 2008 at 23:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
JF Airlines and Jersey Ferry Airlines
There's a very interesting history to JF Airlines that deserves to be told (or maybe someone has already done so). In the meantime I wonder if a certain forumite wants to post images of their Herons or Islanders not only at Portsmouth but also at Shoreham.
I shot this one at Heathrow 13 months after the Twin Pioneer at Portsmouth ...what was the connection between JF and Jersey Ferry, avion ancien?
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Jersey-Ferry-Airlines/De-Havilland-DH-114/0801397/L/
By: - 7th November 2008 at 17:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I shot this one at Heathrow 13 months after the Twin Pioneer at Portsmouth ...what was the connection between JF and Jersey Ferry, avion ancien?
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Jersey-Ferry-Airlines/De-Havilland-DH-114/0801397/L/
I'm away from home at present and so working from memory only (usually a dangerous thing in my case!). If I remember correctly, JF were the initials of the business man who founded the airline. I seem to think that he was a Portsmouth councillor and that his reasons for establishing the airline were connected to the withdrawal of an existing scheduled service (Channel Airways?) out of Portsmouth. If my memory is serving me badly and I'm hopelessly wrong, I trust that someone will correct me. Whether there is a connection with Jersey Ferry (a name that rings only dull bells with me) I cannot say. I'll try to to find out more when I return home.
By: - 7th November 2008 at 19:08 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
From what I remember
JF Airlines was John Fisher Airlines
It was sold and became Jersey Ferry Airlines to keep the same JFA initials
By: - 7th November 2008 at 19:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
How about the Avro Ashton ? I think it looked the part ? Keith.
By: - 8th November 2008 at 00:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
JF Airlines and Avro Ashton
Thanks avion ancien and garryrussell...its occurred to me to read up on JF in the British Independent Airlines book
keithnewsome...I think the Ashton was derived from the Tudor and I think they did quite a stylish job....in the Robert D Archer photopage on link theres a very good Farnborough shot of the Ashton and some nice colour from Heathrow ca.1953 e.g a pre-war? Swissair DC-3 HB-IRA and a TAE (Greece) DC-4 (in the DC-4 album) shot from the 1953-only enclosure reached by walking (escorted) across the live taxiway near the Northside control tower
http://www.pbase.com/marauder61/aviation_photography_by__robert_d_archer
and while the standard DC-3 is a bit off-topic I just noticed that some of Swissairs pre-war Fokker supplied DC-3s had starboard (RH) pax doors like HB-IRA and some had port (LH) doors, see link... http://www.sr692.com/fleet/12_dc3/index.html
By: - 8th November 2008 at 00:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
longshot, Wow thank you for that link, just supurb, will be looking for a long time !
Keith.
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By: longshot - 1st November 2008 at 00:53
From all eras....for a starter the Martin Mars in its original configuration...vertical tail changed to huge single unit ,originally designed as a patrol bomber, the handful built served as US Navy transports then as civilian waterbombers see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN5PY91sO7A
(following on from Less Common Post-1939 Transport Aircraft)