By: bazv
- 24th January 2010 at 07:03Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Graham
Being as this is the spitfire forum :D
Here is a pic from Spitfire MkV Aces by Alfred Price.
Also thought it would be useful for your project and answering an earlier query of yours !
Please note the 2 tradesmen (fitter and rigger) and what is probably a 'gash' trade 'fairy' delving into the radio hatch (note clean uniform :D )
Trolley Acc with Chore Horse on top and very military wheels
By: Graham Adlam
- 24th January 2010 at 12:22Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Here are some more pictures of the wheels. i am beginning to think they are original to this trolley. If you look closely you can see the remains of RAF blue on the rims. They are of the right period and the trolley has not been modified as a towing trailer.
The other pics are of a very early generator for charging accumulators. The wheels on this are an added MOD from the base it was clearly designed to be bolted onto a solid base.
By: Graham Adlam
- 24th January 2010 at 12:23Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Graham
Being as this is the spitfire forum :D
Here is a pic from Spitfire MkV Aces by Alfred Price.
Also thought it would be useful for your project and answering an earlier query of yours !
Please note the 2 tradesmen (fitter and rigger) and what is probably a 'gash' trade 'fairy' delving into the radio hatch (note clean uniform :D )
Trolley Acc with Chore Horse on top and very military wheels
By: anneorac
- 27th January 2010 at 14:06Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Millom/Robert your trolleys are both post war and relatively common Mk.Vs.
Now yours Graham may be a bit rarer than I first thought. The controls for your 'acc' are bolted onto the end of the box while all other surviving 'accs' they are located on a additional smaller box.
There is a nice photo of the type you've got on the back of the book 'A History of the RAF Servicing Commandos' (sorry I don't have a scanner) but as far as I know you may have the only example of that type around!
By: Graham Adlam
- 27th January 2010 at 18:07Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Millom/Robert your trolleys are both post war and relatively common Mk.Vs.
Now yours Graham may be a bit rarer than I first thought. The controls for your 'acc' are bolted onto the end of the box while all other surviving 'accs' they are located on a additional smaller box.
There is a nice photo of the type you've got on the back of the book 'A History of the RAF Servicing Commandos' (sorry I don't have a scanner) but as far as I know you may have the only example of that type around!
Anne
Thanks Anne
Thats exactly what i was told when i bought it. Can you confirm the wheels are original ? they certainly have RAF blue paint on them. Could really use a picture so i can restore it, will have a search for that book..
By: Graham Adlam
- 27th January 2010 at 18:11Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Millom/Robert your trolleys are both post war and relatively common Mk.Vs.
Now yours Graham may be a bit rarer than I first thought. The controls for your 'acc' are bolted onto the end of the box while all other surviving 'accs' they are located on a additional smaller box.
There is a nice photo of the type you've got on the back of the book 'A History of the RAF Servicing Commandos' (sorry I don't have a scanner) but as far as I know you may have the only example of that type around!
Anne
Ouch £52 for a copy of that book any chance you could take a picture of the cover if you dont have a scanner?
By: anneorac
- 27th January 2010 at 20:12Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I’ll see what I can do tomorrow about the photo.
I’m still not convinced about your wheels. All the photos and drawings I’ve seen show the large pressed steel type with pneumatic tyres or solid wheels. That’s not to say that your example is wrong...just not the norm. Could be your wheels were replaced post war to a more readily available or cheaper size. I also note that the towing eye appears to be a rather agriculturally welded afterthought which was not unknown in service.
By: Graham Adlam
- 28th January 2010 at 07:53Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I’ll see what I can do tomorrow about the photo.
I’m still not convinced about your wheels. All the photos and drawings I’ve seen show the large pressed steel type with pneumatic tyres or solid wheels. That’s not to say that your example is wrong...just not the norm. Could be your wheels were replaced post war to a more readily available or cheaper size. I also note that the towing eye appears to be a rather agriculturally welded afterthought which was not unknown in service.
Anne
Thanks Anne
The wheels date from the 1930s and have RAF paint on them, I think that its unlikely they are a post war mod, steel pressed wheels are not the sort of thing to wear out so what would be the point of changing them?
By: John Aeroclub
- 28th January 2010 at 21:11Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The spoked wheels are probably "off the shelf" Rudge Whitworth wheels. Some had the natty little 'knock off' car type spinners and some used a domed nut. They have to be on a splined hub (otherwise they'll come undone if the "vehicle" is reversed. I have seen this type of wheel on other types of early ground equipment. It probably means a troll (or trawl) through Flight at sometime.
By: bazv
- 29th January 2010 at 07:48Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks Anne
The wheels date from the 1930s and have RAF paint on them, I think that its unlikely they are a post war mod, steel pressed wheels are not the sort of thing to wear out so what would be the point of changing them?
Do the rims have a 'crows foot' or any ID numbers visible Graham ?
By: Graham Adlam
- 29th January 2010 at 08:10Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Do the rims have a 'crows foot' or any ID numbers visible Graham ?
There is no visable id marks/part numbers anywhere on the trolley, definately none on the wheels, maybe something will show up when we get the corrosion off:D
By: bazv
- 29th January 2010 at 10:14Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
There is no visable id marks/part numbers anywhere on the trolley, definately none on the wheels, maybe something will show up when we get the corrosion off:D
By: Graham Adlam
- 4th February 2010 at 17:19Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks Ant
Thats great at least it confirms some used wire wheels, its a pitty the image isn a bit bigger it would help alot can you post the link to where you found it please?
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By: bazv - 24th January 2010 at 07:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Graham
Being as this is the spitfire forum :D
Here is a pic from Spitfire MkV Aces by Alfred Price.
Also thought it would be useful for your project and answering an earlier query of yours !
Please note the 2 tradesmen (fitter and rigger) and what is probably a 'gash' trade 'fairy' delving into the radio hatch (note clean uniform :D )
Trolley Acc with Chore Horse on top and very military wheels
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By: Graham Adlam - 24th January 2010 at 12:22 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Here are some more pictures of the wheels. i am beginning to think they are original to this trolley. If you look closely you can see the remains of RAF blue on the rims. They are of the right period and the trolley has not been modified as a towing trailer.
The other pics are of a very early generator for charging accumulators. The wheels on this are an added MOD from the base it was clearly designed to be bolted onto a solid base.
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By: Graham Adlam - 24th January 2010 at 12:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks Baz thats a great picture.
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By: Graham Adlam - 27th January 2010 at 00:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Is anybody there all have you all gone to bed????????? Wake up Australia :D
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By: RAF Millom - 27th January 2010 at 11:30 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Here is ours
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By: Robert Whitton - 27th January 2010 at 12:54 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
At East Fortune.
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By: anneorac - 27th January 2010 at 14:06 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Millom/Robert your trolleys are both post war and relatively common Mk.Vs.
Now yours Graham may be a bit rarer than I first thought. The controls for your 'acc' are bolted onto the end of the box while all other surviving 'accs' they are located on a additional smaller box.
There is a nice photo of the type you've got on the back of the book 'A History of the RAF Servicing Commandos' (sorry I don't have a scanner) but as far as I know you may have the only example of that type around!
Anne
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By: Graham Adlam - 27th January 2010 at 18:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks Anne
Thats exactly what i was told when i bought it. Can you confirm the wheels are original ? they certainly have RAF blue paint on them. Could really use a picture so i can restore it, will have a search for that book..
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By: Graham Adlam - 27th January 2010 at 18:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ouch £52 for a copy of that book any chance you could take a picture of the cover if you dont have a scanner?
Thanks
Graham
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By: anneorac - 27th January 2010 at 20:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I’ll see what I can do tomorrow about the photo.
I’m still not convinced about your wheels. All the photos and drawings I’ve seen show the large pressed steel type with pneumatic tyres or solid wheels. That’s not to say that your example is wrong...just not the norm. Could be your wheels were replaced post war to a more readily available or cheaper size. I also note that the towing eye appears to be a rather agriculturally welded afterthought which was not unknown in service.
Anne
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By: Graham Adlam - 28th January 2010 at 07:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks Anne
The wheels date from the 1930s and have RAF paint on them, I think that its unlikely they are a post war mod, steel pressed wheels are not the sort of thing to wear out so what would be the point of changing them?
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By: Microscopia - 28th January 2010 at 17:42 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I'm a bit confused here. Are we talking about mobile generators, general purpose trailers, trolleys or hand-carts?
Here's my 1937 contribution, complete with reclining erk!
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By: piston power! - 28th January 2010 at 18:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
A mobile sun lounger now that might catch on.!
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By: John Aeroclub - 28th January 2010 at 21:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The spoked wheels are probably "off the shelf" Rudge Whitworth wheels. Some had the natty little 'knock off' car type spinners and some used a domed nut. They have to be on a splined hub (otherwise they'll come undone if the "vehicle" is reversed. I have seen this type of wheel on other types of early ground equipment. It probably means a troll (or trawl) through Flight at sometime.
John
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By: bazv - 29th January 2010 at 07:48 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Do the rims have a 'crows foot' or any ID numbers visible Graham ?
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By: Graham Adlam - 29th January 2010 at 08:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
There is no visable id marks/part numbers anywhere on the trolley, definately none on the wheels, maybe something will show up when we get the corrosion off:D
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By: bazv - 29th January 2010 at 10:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Don't rub too hard now !! :D
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By: Graham Adlam - 29th January 2010 at 16:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks what the wife said :diablo:
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By: Worcs Aviation - 4th February 2010 at 14:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Graham,
Found this picture on the 'net', may help to i.d. your trolley, as you can see it has wire wheels, but no mudguards ?
Ant.
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By: Graham Adlam - 4th February 2010 at 17:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks Ant
Thats great at least it confirms some used wire wheels, its a pitty the image isn a bit bigger it would help alot can you post the link to where you found it please?
Regards
Graham