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By: - 21st October 2004 at 22:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
How about the unfinished Montanas vs. the Yamato? Presuming the Montanas would be finished for the duel, unlike the USS Massachusetts vs. the Jean Bart. :)
By: - 21st October 2004 at 22:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
ah...a variation of the old Kirov-vs-Iowa game. let the battle ensign be flown on the mainmast! flank speed!
could you post the specifications data of both ships from the web
to get things started ?
By: - 21st October 2004 at 22:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
First time in here folks, tho I am on the Historic aviation forums ALL the time....who wins a battle between the Iowa class battleships and the Yamatos? Give me your reasoning why and how either ship would win...Mark
Radar and speed favours Iowa class. :)
By: - 21st October 2004 at 23:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Iowa by virtue of her superior fire-control. Yamato's guns, despite being larger, offered a mere 2000yds range advantage over the US 16 inchers. The American fire control radar would have more than made up for an extra mile here or there at maximum stretch.
The Mk13 fire control radar of the WW2 Iowa was very capable and allowed for the battleship to undertake evasive maneuvers while maintaining a solution. The Yamato would never have gotten close to matching that kind of weight-of-shell actually on target.
By: - 22nd October 2004 at 04:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I skimmed through my old Firepower magazine, it stated that the:
Yamato's 18.1 inch guns gave it a 48 km range
Iowa's 16 inch guns had 38 km range.
Is this correct?
By: - 22nd October 2004 at 05:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Would the Iowa's main armor belt line be able to sustain a hit from an 18" shell? Who would win, if say, the Iowa's FCR were knocked out?
By: - 22nd October 2004 at 05:42 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What was the secondary armament for the Yamatos? 20x5" Mk 38s for the Iowas, right?
By: - 22nd October 2004 at 05:59 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Oh crap, I'm terribly sorry wowcow. I thought I hit the quote button, but I accidentally hit the edit button instead and deleted your post. :eek:
Here's the gist of what wowcow said; The Iowas would be able to sustain a hit from the Yamatos because they had a special steel. However, if the Iowa lost her FCR, then she would probably have to rely on her superior speed and maneuvering to get out of harm's way. The US Montana, had they been completed, would've been a better match for the Yamatoas, as their guns were heavier than those on the Yamato.
By: - 22nd October 2004 at 08:02 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I skimmed through my old Firepower magazine, it stated that the:Yamato's 18.1 inch guns gave it a 48 km range
Iowa's 16 inch guns had 38 km range.Is this correct?
46 cm and ~41,4 km range, 1470 kg shell - 27 kn
40,6 cm and ~38,7 km range, 1225 kg shell - 33 kn
By: - 22nd October 2004 at 13:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
the USS massachusetts is actually moored in battleship cove in Fall river, massachusetts.
one can visit most of the innards though its quite confusing being self-guided. on the deck a shell that hit the jean bart at casablanca and penetrated 60' through many decks is kept. strangely enought the front part is pretty much intact, the rear part is deformed and partially melted away. Pretty impressive to stand next to the huge main cannons though..it was written each barrel weighed 90 ton
they even have some AA type gun nests fore and aft right infront of the main guns. hope nobody was there when those bad boys fired off !
By: - 22nd October 2004 at 17:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
well considering the us navy outgunned the yamato 10-1 in number of battle ships when it went suicidal, i'd say it's pretty obvious yamato would always have lost
there is little known about the accuracy of the 18 inch guns of the yamato, or it's manouvrability in combat, so anybody know where to get it?
By: - 22nd October 2004 at 18:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Here is a site devoted to just that question..
Looks at the best of each major player in WWII.
By: - 22nd October 2004 at 18:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
By comparison, the feared Tirpitz was a real pushover.
Thanks for the link Crusader.
Anyone have some good pics of the Richelieu?
By: - 22nd October 2004 at 18:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What about the Salem CA with her automatic 8" turrets vs. the Bismarck?
By: - 22nd October 2004 at 18:54 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What about the Salem CA with her automatic 8" turrets vs. the Bismarck?
I've always wondered about the Alaska/Guam vs the Gneisenau/Scharnhorst.
I have always loved the Alaskas, for some reason. Perhaps cause it was as close as we got to having battle cruisers in the US Navy.
By: - 22nd October 2004 at 18:54 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I do have a really good book on the Musashi, Yamato's sistership. I'll pull some factoids from it this weekend.
By: - 22nd October 2004 at 22:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I actually posted this same question of a different forum having to do with Japanese battleships and such about two years ago...the conclusions were much the same, that the Iowas would win the confrontation because of their superior fire control and rangefinding equipment and maneuverability, althought a good hit from an 18" shell could negate that advantage if it hit in the right place on the Iowa, so the ship would have to keep maneuvering and avoid the larger shells of the Yamato class...but the overall conclusion was that the Iowas would win...and MOST CERTAINLY had the Montana class been finished and in combat against the Yamatos, it would have been victorious also...
Mark
By: - 22nd October 2004 at 23:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What about a near-miss from the Yamato? Could that damage the FCR on the Iowa?
By: - 23rd October 2004 at 01:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well it depends. Where the near miss was and what it knocked out!
By: - 23rd October 2004 at 10:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The assumption about win is limited to an unreal 1:1 combat without any outside support. Next to this came the Bismarck/Prinz_Eugen:Hood/Prince_of_Wales encounter, when the superior British group lost.
When it comes to crusaders link about battle-ships ratings,
the Prince_of_Wales was superior to Bismarck and the battle-cruiser Hood much more to heavy-cruiser Prinz_Eugen, which was kept out of that battle.
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By: Windsong - 21st October 2004 at 22:17
First time in here folks, tho I am on the Historic aviation forums ALL the time....who wins a battle between the Iowa class battleships and the Yamatos? Give me your reasoning why and how either ship would win...
Mark