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By: - 24th April 2006 at 19:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
No your quite right. Mostly they were rebuilt, IIRC, as block III TLAM's to quickly restore stocks after the heavy TLAM expenditure in Desert Storm.
A few TASM's may have been held in storage somewhere just in case but its doubtful. All TASM was, from memory, was a Harpoon seeker head mated to a converted Bullpup warhead on a TLAM missile body with a datalink grafted on for MCG. Theoretically TACTOM can do the ship attack attack mission more successfully than TASM anyway so, your friend may be right, they may have an antiship capable Tomahawk on the new Burkes - its just not TASM.
Then again he may just be assuming that because they pulled the Harpoons that there 'must' be an antiship missile aboard those vessels which is not the case necessarily.
By: - 29th April 2006 at 13:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
No your quite right. Mostly they were rebuilt, IIRC, as block III TLAM's to quickly restore stocks after the heavy TLAM expenditure in Desert Storm.A few TASM's may have been held in storage somewhere just in case but its doubtful. All TASM was, from memory, was a Harpoon seeker head mated to a converted Bullpup warhead on a TLAM missile body with a datalink grafted on for MCG. Theoretically TACTOM can do the ship attack attack mission more successfully than TASM anyway so, your friend may be right, they may have an antiship capable Tomahawk on the new Burkes - its just not TASM.
Then again he may just be assuming that because they pulled the Harpoons that there 'must' be an antiship missile aboard those vessels which is not the case necessarily.
Could not the new Tactical Tomahawk be used as an Anti Ship Missile?
By: - 30th April 2006 at 15:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The Arliegh Burke Flight I's do have the Harpoon canisters. The Flight I and Flight II vessels could operate in conjunction, much like the Sovremenny and Udaloy class destroyers in the Russian Navy, one with ASW capability and the other with ASuW capability.
I also had a discussion about a topic similar to this on another forum. I think that we decided that the TASM was withdrawn from service completly. I will see if I can find some of the data that we used to come to our conclusion.
By: - 1st May 2006 at 23:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The Arliegh Burke Flight I's do have the Harpoon canisters. The Flight I and Flight II vessels could operate in conjunction, much like the Sovremenny and Udaloy class destroyers in the Russian Navy, one with ASW capability and the other with ASuW capability.
Even more than that though USN F-18's can carry all manner of ASuW ordnance up to and including Harpoon, US SSN's carry sub-harpoon and Mk48 eels, every vessel of destroyer size or better carries the very useful 5" Mk45 mount and all their escorts (bar the first flight Burkes) can embark the SH-60B which sports Penguin or Hellfire missiles.
There is therefore a comprehensive ASuW capability within the USN fleet capable of engaging the whole swath of surface targets from capital ships (SSN's and aircraft) to FAC's and speedboats (Seahawk/Hellfire and good old 5" HE). Dropping the Harpoons from the IIA Burkes alters that equation not a bit!.
By: - 2nd May 2006 at 00:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Also IIRC the Standard missiles can be used in an ASuW mode.
By: - 2nd May 2006 at 00:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yep. I remember reading an account of them being used against an Iranian missile boat. They launched something like three or four of them. By the time the Harpoons arived on the scene the thing was already under water :)
By: - 4th May 2006 at 06:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yep. I remember reading an account of them being used against an Iranian missile boat. They launched something like three or four of them. By the time the Harpoons arived on the scene the thing was already under water :)
Are these Std missiles be fired in Sea Skimming mode or they are fired in ballistic parabolic curve?
By: - 6th May 2006 at 13:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Are these Std missiles be fired in Sea Skimming mode or they are fired in ballistic parabolic curve?
Both SM-1 and SeaSparrow are launched in a ballistic curve, at least going from this footage of a very recent NATO exercise, where several frigates sunk a former PN patrol ship with them.
http://www.marinha.pt/SIRP/Missil_04.05.06.wmv
Full story here (only in portuguese):
http://www.marinha.pt/Marinha/PT/Menu/NoticiasAgenda/Noticias/Comunicado+dia+04.htm
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By: datafuser - 24th April 2006 at 17:08
I was discussing with some other people about the Tomahawk Anti-Ship Missile in another forum. Some of them believed the TASM is still operational, so I directed them to the US Navy's PMA-280 website which has an excellent PDF document "From Concept to Combat: Tomahawk Cruise Missile Program History and Reference Guide, 1972 - 2004".
http://www.strikenet.js.mil/pma-280/Microsoft%20Word%20-%20Tomahawk%20Master%20Document%20July%2022.pdf
This document clearly states that the TASM was withdrawn, but a poster in the forum persisted that some TASMs may remain in operational service somewhere although officially declared retired. He thinks Alreigh Burke Flight IIAs, which have no Harpoon, may carry the TASM instead.
So here is the question - is it possible at all that a major weapon system like the TASM to remain in service somewhere despite the US Navy's official announcement that they are long gone?
Thanks in advance,
Sunho