By: Fedaykin
- 4th June 2013 at 23:35Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The MICA is a fascinating missile as it merges two different classes of missile into one. Even when France does fully deploy the Meteor the MICA will still play a role.
As for AA-11 I would say we have to be slightly careful with any engagement range and field of view charts as the missile has had considerable further development. A missile that deserves respect certainly!
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By: F-18Growler
- 5th June 2013 at 13:12Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The MICA is a fascinating missile as it merges two different classes of missile into one. Even when France does fully deploy the Meteor the MICA will still play a role.
As for AA-11 I would say we have to be slightly careful with any engagement range and field of view charts as the missile has had considerable further development. A missile that deserves respect certainly!
Yea MICA is a so called "Multirole" missile. That's does Air to Air targets/ Ground Attack targets.
But when armed with the AIM-9m you'll have the shorter range than the AA-11. But AIM-9x you'll have the longer range missile. Both are very diffrent missiles in development so. With JHMCS you'll at least have the greatest range on the AIM-9x compared to the AA-11.
By: frankvw
- 5th June 2013 at 18:17Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ask Matra?
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By: F-18Growler
- 5th June 2013 at 21:56Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ask Matra?
What's Matra?
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By: F-18Growler
- 6th June 2013 at 02:48Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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By: obligatory
- 6th June 2013 at 03:26Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
1] Mica cant attack ground targets, there was one project with that aim, the JDRADM, but that was not a french project, it was US.
2] Matra is the french company that made Mica missile
3] Yes, Magic exist, both 1 & 2, and they are french, too.
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By: F-18Growler
- 6th June 2013 at 12:24Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
[1] Mica cant attack ground targets, there was one project with that aim, the JDRADM, but that was not a french project, it was US.
It's a Multirole missile, so it does attack ground targets but it hasn't been proved yet.
[2] Matra is the french company that made Mica missile
Ok thanks for that.
[3] Yes, Magic exist, both 1 & 2, and they are french, too.
"Raytheon has adapted the heat-seeking AIM-9X to strike moving targets on the ground or in the water, adding another new capability for the formerly air-to-air-only missile.
The modification allows the same AIM-9X to strike both air and ground targets."
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By: F-18Growler
- 6th June 2013 at 17:44Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Something from 2009 that you might like Mr Growler
"Raytheon has adapted the heat-seeking AIM-9X to strike moving targets on the ground or in the water, adding another new capability for the formerly air-to-air-only missile.
The modification allows the same AIM-9X to strike both air and ground targets."
Interesting link David, i wouldn't like to adopt the AIM-9x into a Multirole missile. It's beacuse you'd need to require a lot of capabilities to add on a Multirole AIM-9x, which will fairly take some buiesness to go on to. I'd rather use the AIM-9x as our ultimate advanced tactical missile in Air-to-Air combat. But the Sidewinder family won't be with us forever.
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By: F-18Growler
- 8th June 2013 at 13:14Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hasn't anyone played a aircraft game on a system then you see the AIM-9 as a both air to air missile and air to ground?
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By: obligatory
- 8th June 2013 at 16:22Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hasn't anyone played a aircraft game on a system then you see the AIM-9 as a both air to air missile and air to ground?
Maybe you should go back to your games ?
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By: F-18Growler
- 8th June 2013 at 16:38Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Maybe you should go back to your games ?
Mabye if you had the ability to. I used to play Ace Combat 4, and noticed as aviation enthusiast that the AIM-9 is a Multirole missile in Ace Combat. But i'm studying my aircraft. I don't play video games. But i remember around 2005 :)
By: halloweene
- 8th June 2013 at 20:04Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
i think you'll be interested in that mica shot... (already postd in another thread) : 6 o'clock using passive sensors and spectra only...
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By: F-18Growler
- 8th June 2013 at 22:50Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
i think you'll be interested in that mica shot... (already postd in another thread) : 6 o'clock using passive sensors and spectra only...
Yea saw it in the Rafale thread.
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By: F-18Growler
- 9th June 2013 at 16:23Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
AIM-120 and AIM-9x side by side
As you can see the AIM-9x structural parts are far similar to the AMRAAM. Same paint scheme, but although the AIM-9x has far 4% of bigger wings so it's able to turn tightly in a high AoA maneuver to the target. Even a far diffrence is that AIM-9x has a guided camera seeker on the front of the AIM-9x and the AIM-120 doesn't and the AIM-120 is guided by the antenna. It's a really big diffrence between the two air dominance missiles. But as i said I'll take the AIM-9x for in WVR to have the enemy shot down. The AIM-9x can shoot down the most maneuverable aircraft of today. Even though the AIM-120 is 6% bigger than the AIM-9x. But there's plenty of growth potential of the AIM-9x and AIM-120. But even thought the navy might get MBDA Meteor class missile. If they don't get it Raytheon can extend a new AIM-120s range to be a longer range AMRAAM. The AIM-9x is 3% skinnier than the AIM-120
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By: Fedaykin - 4th June 2013 at 23:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The MICA is a fascinating missile as it merges two different classes of missile into one. Even when France does fully deploy the Meteor the MICA will still play a role.
As for AA-11 I would say we have to be slightly careful with any engagement range and field of view charts as the missile has had considerable further development. A missile that deserves respect certainly!
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By: F-18Growler - 5th June 2013 at 13:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yea MICA is a so called "Multirole" missile. That's does Air to Air targets/ Ground Attack targets.
But when armed with the AIM-9m you'll have the shorter range than the AA-11. But AIM-9x you'll have the longer range missile. Both are very diffrent missiles in development so. With JHMCS you'll at least have the greatest range on the AIM-9x compared to the AA-11.
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By: frankvw - 5th June 2013 at 15:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
(...) You forgot it's also able to shoot down Klingon spacecraft. Ever wondered what MICA stands for ?
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By: F-18Growler - 5th June 2013 at 15:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It's able to destroy this spacecraft?
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By: frankvw - 5th June 2013 at 16:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yup. By magic. Just as much as it can be used for ground attack (see your post #23)
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By: F-18Growler - 5th June 2013 at 16:08 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ok, but magic doesn't exist..... "Or does it''?
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By: frankvw - 5th June 2013 at 18:17 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ask Matra?
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By: F-18Growler - 5th June 2013 at 21:56 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What's Matra?
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By: F-18Growler - 6th June 2013 at 02:48 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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By: obligatory - 6th June 2013 at 03:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
1] Mica cant attack ground targets, there was one project with that aim, the JDRADM, but that was not a french project, it was US.
2] Matra is the french company that made Mica missile
3] Yes, Magic exist, both 1 & 2, and they are french, too.
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By: F-18Growler - 6th June 2013 at 12:24 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It's a Multirole missile, so it does attack ground targets but it hasn't been proved yet.Ok thanks for that.
Is magic a missile?
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By: frankvw - 6th June 2013 at 13:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
1) No it does NOT and no it can NOT.
3) Yes. google it.
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By: DavidSubishi - 6th June 2013 at 16:38 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Something from 2009 that you might like Mr Growler
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/exclusive-raytheon-adapts-aim-9x-for-air-to-ground-missson-335762/
"Raytheon has adapted the heat-seeking AIM-9X to strike moving targets on the ground or in the water, adding another new capability for the formerly air-to-air-only missile.
The modification allows the same AIM-9X to strike both air and ground targets."
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By: F-18Growler - 6th June 2013 at 17:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Interesting link David, i wouldn't like to adopt the AIM-9x into a Multirole missile. It's beacuse you'd need to require a lot of capabilities to add on a Multirole AIM-9x, which will fairly take some buiesness to go on to. I'd rather use the AIM-9x as our ultimate advanced tactical missile in Air-to-Air combat. But the Sidewinder family won't be with us forever.
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By: F-18Growler - 8th June 2013 at 13:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hasn't anyone played a aircraft game on a system then you see the AIM-9 as a both air to air missile and air to ground?
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By: obligatory - 8th June 2013 at 16:22 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Maybe you should go back to your games ?
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By: F-18Growler - 8th June 2013 at 16:38 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Mabye if you had the ability to. I used to play Ace Combat 4, and noticed as aviation enthusiast that the AIM-9 is a Multirole missile in Ace Combat. But i'm studying my aircraft. I don't play video games. But i remember around 2005 :)
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By: halloweene - 8th June 2013 at 20:04 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
i think you'll be interested in that mica shot... (already postd in another thread) : 6 o'clock using passive sensors and spectra only...
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By: F-18Growler - 8th June 2013 at 22:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yea saw it in the Rafale thread.
Steven
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By: F-18Growler - 9th June 2013 at 16:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
AIM-120 and AIM-9x side by side
As you can see the AIM-9x structural parts are far similar to the AMRAAM. Same paint scheme, but although the AIM-9x has far 4% of bigger wings so it's able to turn tightly in a high AoA maneuver to the target. Even a far diffrence is that AIM-9x has a guided camera seeker on the front of the AIM-9x and the AIM-120 doesn't and the AIM-120 is guided by the antenna. It's a really big diffrence between the two air dominance missiles. But as i said I'll take the AIM-9x for in WVR to have the enemy shot down. The AIM-9x can shoot down the most maneuverable aircraft of today. Even though the AIM-120 is 6% bigger than the AIM-9x. But there's plenty of growth potential of the AIM-9x and AIM-120. But even thought the navy might get MBDA Meteor class missile. If they don't get it Raytheon can extend a new AIM-120s range to be a longer range AMRAAM. The AIM-9x is 3% skinnier than the AIM-120
AIM-120 features
AIM-9x features
