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By: - 14th October 2005 at 18:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
You need Tony Buttler's Secret Projects: British Jet Fighters. It has everything that you are after and much more.
By: - 14th October 2005 at 19:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Don't forget X-31!
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Newsroom/X-Press/stories/082903/new_vonkarman.html
By: - 14th October 2005 at 23:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I found the some info about the ND-102 at the german forum "www.flugzeugforum.de".
Edit: I know now(!), you wanted only info and drawings of pre-Eurofighter BAe design studies. I saw the following info and attached pic a week ago at FF, so I thought it would be time now to post them here.
Deino has a lot of pic's of pre-Eurofighter MBB design studies.
The ND-102 was competition draft from Dornier andPlease excuse me for the bad translation!
Northrop to the MBB's TKF-90. It should become a 12 tons heavy "pure" AtA fighter, with engines to reach to Mach 2 without afterburner (supercruise).
It did not come however over the model stage since it was planned as fighter as substitution of the german F-4 and without
air-to-surface abilitiesin the later bidding procedure for the "Jäger 90", etc.. .
Sources in German:
- Flugzeugforum > Luftfahrzeuge > Jets > ND-102
Before you post or see the pics or in this forum, you have to register!
The attached pic is from Gustav Anderman at FF. - FLUG REVUE 04/1979 - PROJEKT TKF-90 IN ENTSCHEIDENDER PHASE
By: - 15th October 2005 at 14:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Edit: I know now(!), you wanted only info and drawings of pre-Eurofighter BAe design studies. I saw the following info and attached pic a week ago at FF, so I thought it would be time now to post them here.
Deino has a lot of pic's of pre-Eurofighter MBB design studies.
It's just about impossible to separate the German and British sides of the Eurofighter story.
If I demonstrate an Anglophone's perspective, please excuse me.
Since you mentioned the collaborative ND-102 design study I've attached a 3-view that I found - possibly posted by Deino, for all I know.
I'm sure the Deino could answer many of the questions I have about modern German fighter concepts.
By: - 15th October 2005 at 14:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Don't forget X-31!http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Newsroom/X-Press/stories/082903/new_vonkarman.html
Yes, the X-31 is certainly related to the TKF-90 fighter concept. I don't know whether data from the X-31 had any bearing on the ultimate Eurofighter configuration, though.
I've always wondered if the Germans chose to partially fund the X-31 with the Americans as an alternative to participating in the EAP with the British?
By: - 15th October 2005 at 15:24 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The whole idea behind the P.110 was to produce a smaller, lighter and cheaper alternative to the cancelled ACA. Much like Dassault's Rafael, BAe was looking for a fighter with export potential. Sadly, I was only able to find the same photograph that most posters have already seen.
it's Dassault R.A.F.A.L.E
Rafael is the Israel Armament Development Authority
Rafael's website
:dev2:
By: - 15th October 2005 at 19:48 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Road to Eurofighter
1976
Design to AST 403 (not sure of the project designation)
By: - 15th October 2005 at 19:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
1976
P.91 (single engine) and P.92 (twin engine) swing wing projects
By: - 15th October 2005 at 19:51 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
1976
P.158 and P.159
By: - 15th October 2005 at 19:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
1977
P.96 (conventional) and P.103 (tilt engine STOL)
By: - 15th October 2005 at 19:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
1978
P.96F and P.103
By: - 15th October 2005 at 20:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
1978
P.1205 V/STOL project
By: - 15th October 2005 at 20:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
1979
Unknown BAe project, 1979 at latest; ECF
By: - 15th October 2005 at 20:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
1980
ECA; P106B (P106A was conventional tailed version, no illustration)
By: - 15th October 2005 at 20:24 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
1980-1981
P.110 is my favourite; P.163
By: - 15th October 2005 at 20:31 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
1983-1985
EAP model; EFA (cranked delta; box intakes)
By: - 15th October 2005 at 20:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
German designs to follow.
By: - 15th October 2005 at 21:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Great selection of pics aerospacetech, do you have any more pics of UK V/STOL projects?
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By: TinWing - 14th October 2005 at 17:19
As I understand it, BAe's last conventional swept wing, twin engine concept was called the P.96. It had big LERXs and side mounted intakes.
From there BAe engaged in its very last single engined light weight fighter concepts, a very conventional swept wing P106A that looked a bit like a shrunken Mirage F1 and the cranked delta P106B that became the initial basis of the both Saab's Grippen and the Indian LCA.
The cranked delta wing planform made it to first collaborative fighter proposal the ACA - or "agile combat aircraft." The ACA was very similar in layout to the final EAP demonstrator, except for the F-18 style twin tail. (A pitifully small 3-view is attached below.)
The ACA was killed due to concerns about weight an cost.
Finally, we come to the P.110. The wing of the P.110 mockup was cut down from the mockup of the ACA and the twin tail was also carried over. The P.110 reverted to side intakes, like the Gripen.
The whole idea behind the P.110 was to produce a smaller, lighter and cheaper alternative to the cancelled ACA. Much like Dassault's Rafael, BAe was looking for a fighter with export potential. Sadly, I was only able to find the same photograph that most posters have already seen.
Of course, we all know that the final result of was the British EAP demonstrator - the "grandfather" or the current Eurofighter EJ200 "Typhoon."
It shouldn't be forgotten that BAe's last attempt at a got-it-alone national project was the P.120. The P.120 was a productionized variant of the EAP demonstrator. I still don't know whether the P.120 retained the cranked delta wing planform of the P106/ACA/P.110/EAP, or went for the final straight edged delta of the final Eurofighter.
Is there anyone out there that can help me find drawings of the P.96, P.110, or P.120?
(I threw in the ECF (a shrunken ACA?) the German TKF-90 images to get the ball rolling.)