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By: - 16th September 2002 at 06:56 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: El Salvador Air Force Overview
How about some Ouragan or Arava pics? Couldn't find any ...
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By: - 16th September 2002 at 07:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: El Salvador Air Force Overview
I don't know about you guys, but I personally LOVE reading about the so called "smaller airforces".
Good job scramble!
By: - 16th September 2002 at 12:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: El Salvador Air Force Overview
Icarus, i presume you are aware that Scramble poses a serious security threat to the world's airforces? And don't forget the amount of espionage necessary to collect all that data. Maybe interesting for you to remember the next time you plead for heavy sentencing of planespotters...
By: - 17th September 2002 at 09:27 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: El Salvador Air Force Overview
Facinating, when is the new edition due out WS? And will it be available in Australia?
Give me coffee and no-one gets hurt!
By: - 17th September 2002 at 09:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: El Salvador Air Force Overview
Arthur,
What kind of bullshit are you writing about Scramble. Are you a Greece judge? Or do you have nothing else to do then accusing people of spying.
JH
By: - 17th September 2002 at 11:04 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: El Salvador Air Force Overview
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 17-09-02 AT 11:05 AM (GMT)]>Arthur,
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>What kind of bullshit are you writing about Scramble. Are
>you a Greece judge?
JH, I welcome you to this board from the bottom of my heart! That is the most outrageous accusation i ever got here. Thank you very much, you just made my day. :D
>Or do you have nothing else to do then
>accusing people of spying.
Ask Steve Touchdown, who is one of the spotters in the Greek case, what my stand is on this. Or ask Icarus or Fantasma337. But please don't ask for my personal credentials when it comes to planespotting...
>JH
I'm AH. Perhaps we are related, since i've missed your introduction? }>
By: - 17th September 2002 at 18:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: El Salvador Air Force Overview
Nice to know that we have a great support from Erwin !!!
Keep going like this, Erwin ; I hope you would put the Venezuelan Air Force on Scramble very soon!!
Greetings
THUD
Ivan Peña Nesbit
By: - 17th September 2002 at 20:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: El Salvador Air Force Overview
>JH, I welcome you to this board from the bottom of my heart!
>That is the most outrageous accusation i ever got here.
>Thank you very much, you just made my day.
,,that Scramble poses a serious security threat to the world's airforces? And don't forget the amount of espionage necessary to collect all that data"
That is a very serious accusation!! End of discussion and I don't think that we are related. :p
By: - 18th September 2002 at 04:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: El Salvador Air Force Overview
Arthur, listen to me clearly.
Those planespotters knowingly, and admittedly violated the law. They did not commit espionage, but they did commit an illegal act. Greece has always been tight on it's security, but these people were warned and allowed to go on their merry way more than once. Their total disregard for the laws of the land are irresponsible and ignorant. Greece does not need to defend it's laws to you. Especially since those laws are quite warrented and not illegal. They are there to protect the Military and the Nation and must be respected. Try arguing to a cop next time he pulls you over for speeding that it is "unjust" and the law pertaining to speeding is stupid. After all, people do get speeding tickets right? Yet I'm sure the majority do no kill anyone when they speed right? And I'm sure people speed ALL the time and do not get caught, right? These people were caught speeding and it doesn't matter if they caused an accident. The law is the law and forgive me, but you and your government can frankly go to hell if you have a problem with it. I wonder how you would like it if Greece started a smear campaign against the U.K if Greek nationals had been arrested doing such things in the U.K. Next time a "suspicious" Arab fellow is arrested in the U.K, I will make sure to press the Greek government to petition for his release. Mind you, we will not ask what actually happend and we will not be concerned whether he broke the law or not, we will become judge, jury and all that like your press became. Maybe we will even boycott British beef products.
By: - 18th September 2002 at 08:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: El Salvador Air Force Overview
>Arthur, listen to me clearly.
No worries Icarus, i was just having some fun here, being sarcastic et al. I know your views in this case, you know mine, and i thankfully only i know how legal or illegal my own planespotting activities were when i was in Greece (don't worry too much, i was actually more careful there than i usually am in other countries). We'd better give it a rest - perhaps it will be stirred up when the appeal runs, but for now i'm relaxed, fella!
>Mind you, we will not ask what actually happend
>and we will not be concerned whether he broke the law or
>not, we will become judge, jury and all that like your press
>became. Maybe we will even boycott British beef products.
Didn't you know i am Dutch?
And JH: read a bit back on this forum, read some spotter's reports in magazines like AIM, read the AFM of September 1995, and try to find the word 'sarcasm' in a dictionary. If you can manage all that, i will gloriously watch you eat a nice piece of humble pie }> Seriously, from how many countries are you expelled for espionage?
By: - 18th September 2002 at 08:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: El Salvador Air Force Overview
>>>No worries Icarus, i was just having some fun here, being sarcastic et al. I know your views in this case, you know mine, and i thankfully only i know how legal or illegal my own planespotting activities were when i was in Greece (don't worry too much, i was actually more careful there than i usually am in other countries). We'd better give it a rest - perhaps it will be stirred up when the appeal runs, but for now i'm relaxed, fella!<<<
Arthur, listen man I have no problems with you. Can you imagine what it is to haver to defend your country for simply following it's National Security Laws? I get angry. I'm content with what the courts said and as far as I'm concerned, it's over. Let's now all get on with our lives I say. I'm relaxed!!!!! :7
>>>Didn't you know i am Dutch?<<<
No. Then we shall ban your tulips.
By: - 18th September 2002 at 22:20 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: El Salvador Air Force Overview
Hi Ivan.
No Problem. Just check http://www.scramble.nl/ve.htm
Frank
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By: - 19th September 2002 at 21:51 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: El Salvador Air Force Overview
Seriously, from how many countries are you expelled for espionage?
Only one: Israel
By: - 20th September 2002 at 18:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: El Salvador Air Force Overview
Only one: Israel
Cool. Planespotting?
It's Belarus for me.
By: - 21st September 2002 at 00:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: El Salvador Air Force Overview
Thank's for the site. It's AMAZING!! Great, nice and beautiful pictures. I was there when Erwin took some of the pictures on Venezuela. Also I have almost the same pictures taken by me!!.
Thank you again, Frank, and also thanks to Erwin, for put such a beautiful report. I will send some corrections to Erwin ( Don't worry, it's only spanish translation problems with some names)
Best regards
Your friend in Venezuela
Ivan Peña Nesbit►
By: - 23rd September 2002 at 13:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
RE: El Salvador Air Force Overview
>Only one: Israel
>
>Cool. Planespotting? No colaboration with some Palestinians on the West Bank.
<:-)>
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By: webscramble - 15th September 2002 at 21:27
Hi.
We are currently busy expanding our Latin America section so you can
expect more South and Central American Orbats the coming period. Today
we are happy to announce the Order of Battle overview and Aircraft
Database of El Salvador:
http://www.scramble.nl/sv.htm
Contents
- A brief history.
- The complete Order of Battle.
- An overview of all Squadrons and Airbases
- An online database containing aircraft serials
- Numorous good pictures of different aircaft types.
- Links to relevant websites.
- Maps with the locations of each airbase.
- Neighbourhood maps.
Hope you'll appreciate it. Some examples are included
Regards
Erwin van Dijkman
Editor Latin America
Latin@scramble.nl
Frank Noort
Webmaster
Webmaster@scramble.nl
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