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By: - 15th May 2017 at 17:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
As much as I am a fan of this idea, there is no news though is there? this is even more remote than your favourite Turkish fighter project.
Certainly no need for its own thread, but you already know that.
By: - 15th May 2017 at 17:43 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The Japanse tech demonstrator is the most boring and dull stereotypical 5th gen design out there.
By: - 16th May 2017 at 02:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
fortunately, the production version will look better
at least 24 DMU will look nicer
23 DMU looks like your f-22 clone everoyne is following but Russia
there was a 25 DMu but it seems to be eliminated
By: - 16th May 2017 at 05:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
an update, seems like they've moved on to 26dmu already and are doing the wind model testing
By: - 16th May 2017 at 17:27 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The TE of the wings and tail plane don't seem parallel.
By: - 16th May 2017 at 20:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
But is the wing LE relevant to radiation coming from the rear?
By: - 16th May 2017 at 20:24 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Those appear to be Meteors in there.:eagerness:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxUJLJ-UUAAyJ82.jpg
By: - 16th May 2017 at 20:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Could you explain why the wing LE is important to rear RCS. Creeping waves?
By: - 16th May 2017 at 21:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The Japanese studies do allow for a big weapons bay, and a very deep fuselage. They will need to carry lots of weapons, and it is indeed interesting to see which ones they are building them around.
By: - 17th May 2017 at 00:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
perhaps some kind of Ashm?
the F-2s were designed around the idea of carrying 4.
By: - 17th May 2017 at 07:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well to answer your question Y-20 Bacon, I think the UK is setting itself up to be able to produce the fighter it needs, when it needs it. The Turkish fighter is clearly an industrial sustainment project and we wait to see if there is more to it than that.
I personally think the UK and Japan would have more in common when it comes to a new fighter requirement. After all the RAF already operates a "poor mans F22" (as Bayar describes the TFX), and I'm not sure that the Turkish fighter can be aimed at third world airfares and the RAF.
By: - 17th May 2017 at 07:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
maybe its not just a commonality in fighters but broader?
I seem to recall very recently the Japanese were pushing their P-1 asw plane and C-2 to the UK (blasphemous yes, but it is very unfortunate UK retired the nimrods etc
and who knows, maybe those really are meteor missiles in the DMU 26 model. this UK-JP collab might be deeper than we know it
By: - 17th May 2017 at 07:30 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well we know they are collaborating on advanced seeker technology for the Meteor, so its clear Japan wants those in its fighter.
There is crossover certainly.
By: - 17th May 2017 at 08:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It only understandable that every new plane to be designed would be a stealth one and that it would try to address the perceived shortcomings of actual designs, more specifically the proportion between the internally carried weapons and the total possible payload.
So they would try to get 4 full proportion weapon bays, centered on A2A weapons, and more specifically a new ramjet powered missile with two lateral intakes.
About the three preliminary designs, 23 is based on the F-35, 24 look likea XF-23/PAK-FA mix, and the 25/26 on J-20 without canards.
So I would guess it would be an air superiority fighter with a secondary maritime strike capability, about all of the weapons would be carried inside the weapons bays.
23 seems me hopeless, so I'll expect a match between the other two models
By: - 17th May 2017 at 10:42 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
easthetics wise, dmu26 is again similar-ish to dmu23. At least it has the x wing tails, though, making it a bit different than most 5th gen designs.
And those are going to be some huge weapon bays if they really plan to cram in 6 aam4 in there. Mind you, aam4 is larger than an amraam, with 10% bigger diameter and 80% larger wingspan. That would also indicate a very large plane, definitely not any smaller than an F-22. Possibly with a shorter reach as well, as bigger weapon bays within the same fuselage volume would indicate less available space for internal fuel.
So what is more likely? That japanese fighter will be:
A) Even larger than F22 so both missile count and fuel can fit
B) Plane will not be larger than F22 but will carry 4 BVR missiles
C) something in between, with a redesigned AAM4 missile of smaller wingspan.
By: - 17th May 2017 at 11:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
If we assume that engines are going to get more fuel efficient, then the fuel fraction may be less of an issue. That said, the next generation of fighter engines appears to be big and able to produce a wide range of power for a variety of uses. The engine being produced for a large UCAV like FCAS is the size of the M88.
The development of smaller more compact carriage weapons triggered by the F35 weapon bay must have some impact on large A2A missiles.
We are in danger of covering similar ground both here, the TFX, F35 and 6th gen thread aren't we?
By: - 17th May 2017 at 11:30 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
not sure if those are AAM-4s, look more like meteors to me
a bit more about the bay
supposedly they are aiming to fit an xasm-3 in there. but good luck with that, I'm not sure if that'd even fit the TU-160 bay
a bit more about the new engine
layout of 26dmu
so, anyone want to guess who will finish their 5th gen first? The koreans, indians, turks, or japancheese?
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By: Y-20 Bacon - 15th May 2017 at 15:16
lots of news coming out in this front, like this very recent article a few weeks ago with pacts made
http://thediplomat.com/2017/03/japan-and-uk-to-collaborate-on-advanced-stealth-fighter-jet/
interesting they're going around with Turkey and now Japan,
although Japan is probably a more realistic partner given that they've already developed engine and aesa technologies, as well as a flying demonstrater