By: pagen01
- 15th July 2010 at 16:52Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The British Javelin and Sea Vixen went through the same evolution of nose cone shapes, I wonder if it was for the same reason then?
I always assumed it was easier to produce the conical shape stronger at that time, but the latter curved shape was more aerodynamic, but I wonder now if it was for the reason you say above.
By: MadRat
- 15th July 2010 at 20:15Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
When the Su-15 came into service the only American bomber threat over the icepack was the B-52. Early interceptors had plenty of gun power to bring them down but the bombers had radar-aimed tailguns to contend with. Beam-rider missiles were pretty bad at that point in time and a simple banked turn would avoid them. The only accurate way to fire them was well within tailgunner range.
It's important to note that the early Su-15 brought enough standoff range to avoid the 50's in the tails of American bombers. The solution was exchanging the quad 50's for twin 20's. This called for better missiles to engage the American bombers.
By: Levsha
- 16th July 2010 at 16:24Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Lovely poster there, I take it that is the Red falcons aswel?
Well, I'm not sure that there was a permanently established air display team called the Red Falcons at that time or was there?
It seems that for any of the big air displays of the 1950s and 60s teams of 4 or 5 aircraft were formed on some sort of ad hoc basis. There were the red painted Yak-15s in the 1940s and the MiG-15, MiG-17 and MiG-19 teams after that.
I remember having a book on military aviation as a kid with the following photo in it, I love it! :):cool:
check out the link for some more pictures of the 1961 flypast at Tushino in Moscow:
By: Schorsch
- 17th July 2010 at 19:12Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Indeed, nice pictures.
Unsure what it is about this forum in particular which always seems to turn threads into American was best disscussions.
Maybe because American hardware was in average the best from the mid 1950ies to at least the late 1990ies, with some very strong British, European and Russian contenders. All from the pure technical perspective, combat value does not relate linearly to technology.
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By: cessna
- 18th July 2010 at 01:11Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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By: Flanker_man - 15th July 2010 at 16:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The ogival radome was fitted to the Su-15TM - to cure a problem with clutter arising from reflections of the radar pulse inside the conical radome.
The new radome cured the clutter problem - but increased drag.
Service ceiling, effective range and interception range were all reduced as a result.
Ken
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By: pagen01 - 15th July 2010 at 16:52 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The British Javelin and Sea Vixen went through the same evolution of nose cone shapes, I wonder if it was for the same reason then?
I always assumed it was easier to produce the conical shape stronger at that time, but the latter curved shape was more aerodynamic, but I wonder now if it was for the reason you say above.
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By: Levsha - 15th July 2010 at 18:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Observe the the very un-soviet choice of colours for the exhaust plumes... (might be a guide to the authenticity of the poster).;)
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By: MadRat - 15th July 2010 at 20:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
When the Su-15 came into service the only American bomber threat over the icepack was the B-52. Early interceptors had plenty of gun power to bring them down but the bombers had radar-aimed tailguns to contend with. Beam-rider missiles were pretty bad at that point in time and a simple banked turn would avoid them. The only accurate way to fire them was well within tailgunner range.
It's important to note that the early Su-15 brought enough standoff range to avoid the 50's in the tails of American bombers. The solution was exchanging the quad 50's for twin 20's. This called for better missiles to engage the American bombers.
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By: pagen01 - 15th July 2010 at 20:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Lovely poster there, I take it that is the Red falcons aswel?
Madrat, it wasn't just the Americans that had bombers, and Vulcans didn't have any form of defence.
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By: cessna - 16th July 2010 at 00:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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By: Levsha - 16th July 2010 at 16:24 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well, I'm not sure that there was a permanently established air display team called the Red Falcons at that time or was there?
It seems that for any of the big air displays of the 1950s and 60s teams of 4 or 5 aircraft were formed on some sort of ad hoc basis. There were the red painted Yak-15s in the 1940s and the MiG-15, MiG-17 and MiG-19 teams after that.
I remember having a book on military aviation as a kid with the following photo in it, I love it! :):cool:
check out the link for some more pictures of the 1961 flypast at Tushino in Moscow:
http://airforce.ru/history/tushino1961/tushino_1961.htm
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By: cessna - 16th July 2010 at 22:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Another picture Nastle
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By: Schorsch - 17th July 2010 at 19:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Indeed, nice pictures.
Maybe because American hardware was in average the best from the mid 1950ies to at least the late 1990ies, with some very strong British, European and Russian contenders. All from the pure technical perspective, combat value does not relate linearly to technology.
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By: cessna - 18th July 2010 at 01:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://pilot.strizhi.info/photos/v/Savasleyka/Museum/IMG_3887_sm.jpg.html
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By: Lonevolk - 26th July 2010 at 07:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Rare footage of the Su-15 in the video below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p10wosMaJIs