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By: - 9th September 2015 at 16:43 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
German WW2. The dataplate half says 'Baumuster' (Type). Could these be five oxygen bottles, for a five-man bomber crew for instance?
By: - 9th September 2015 at 17:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Could part of/full word on the fourth picture down be funk? Which I think means radio/wireless in German?
By: - 9th September 2015 at 17:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Could it be from a Dornier DO17 like the one recovered nearby on the edge of the Goodwin Sands?
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/zxfkhzia5k4hi2vnffbe.jpg
By: - 9th September 2015 at 17:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
If you clean around the domed tops of the bottles there will be manufacture dates. It would help with id. Luftwaffe oxy bottles changed design mid to late war, from cylindrical to balls! A very nice gift!
By: - 9th September 2015 at 18:04 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I will try to clean around the cylinders tomorrow, any tips for cleaning and preserving it?
I will also find out the exact location it was recovered.
By: - 9th September 2015 at 18:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Blue is current colour coding for nitrous oxide- I don't know about WW2. Edit- I have seen an oxygen regulator with a blue centre to it, so I don't know.
By: - 9th September 2015 at 18:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Submerging in fresh water for 'a long time' seems the most popular, otherwise the salt will suddenly reduce much of the aluminium to powder.
By: - 10th September 2015 at 03:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I’m not sure what Luftwaffe aircraft had 5 bottles in a single rack like that. These bottles weren’t 1 per man, I believe some Bf-109s had 2 bottles in each wing for a total of 4, although I’m not sure if they were the same size as yours. What is the approximate size of your bottle? It’s probably from at least a 2 man crew (Ju-87, Bf-110?) or larger, and it’s possible that this rack of 5 (and possibly more) was in one wing and an equal amount were in the other wing or elsewhere in the aircraft. As Ian said, start with the manufacture and date codes around the neck of the bottles and go from there.
Here is a link to one of the cleanest sauerstofflasche I’ve seen, manufactured in 1940 and with legible codes you can use for comparison.
By: - 10th September 2015 at 05:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I will try to clean around the cylinders tomorrow, any tips for cleaning and preserving it?I will also find out the exact location it was recovered.
ADVICE!
NO METAL BUSH! No brush at all for now!
First off give it a good soaking with fresh water, GENTLY, clean off as much of ocean salt as you can.
The put it in a bucket and fill with more fresh water, to get as much salt off as you can.
Do this for a couple of days, changing the water twice a day.
Need to get as much salt off as possible.
I also suggest you talk to RAFM about their weak citric acid cleaning to get the marine deposits off. (I can email them).
I’m not sure what Luftwaffe aircraft had 5 bottles in a single rack like that. These bottles weren’t 1 per man, I believe some Bf-109s had 2 bottles in each wing for a total of 4, although I’m not sure if they were the same size as yours. What is the approximate size of your bottle? It’s probably from at least a 2 man crew (Ju-87, Bf-110?) or larger, and it’s possible that this rack of 5 (and possibly more) was in one wing and an equal amount were in the other wing or elsewhere in the aircraft. As Ian said, start with the manufacture and date codes around the neck of the bottles and go from there.Here is a link to one of the cleanest sauerstofflasche I’ve seen, manufactured in 1940 and with legible codes you can use for comparison.
Could it be from a Dornier DO17 like the one recovered nearby on the edge of the Goodwin Sands?http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/zxfkhzia5k4hi2vnffbe.jpg
I agree with the above possibilities.
It is far more likely the bomber than 109, 110, Stuka, or like. Could even be later Do-217 or He-177
If you clean around the domed tops of the bottles there will be manufacture dates. It would help with id. Luftwaffe oxy bottles changed design mid to late war, from cylindrical to balls! A very nice gift!
CAREFUL, see above, go with this gently, it is very easy to damage it worse than it is.
Take your time, its been there 75 or so years, can wait a little more.
By: - 10th September 2015 at 09:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks for the reply. it was found at 51'10.50n 001'31.50e (Southern edge of the Goodwin sands), the fishing boat was heading North when it was discovered.
By: - 10th September 2015 at 12:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
A wartime Farnborough report on the Do17 described the oxygen system as being supplied from 5 bottles located in the rear fuselage.
By: - 10th September 2015 at 12:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Sounds as though you need to ring Cosford and ask if they are short!
Adrian
By: - 10th September 2015 at 12:31 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Perhaps they still have pressure in them!Be careful!
By: - 10th September 2015 at 13:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Dornier Do 17, 3495 U5+DM crashed into the sea at 20:40 hours on 9 November 1940, of unknown causes, off the coast of Kingsdown close to where the wreckage was recovered. Hopefully I can find a date on one of the bottles.
By: - 10th September 2015 at 15:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
If either you or the finder has not done so, I would strongly recommend you report this to the Receiver of Wreck.
And whilst the find isn't on the same scale as this chap's actions, this is the kind of result. Diver jailed for failing to declare finds.
By: - 10th September 2015 at 15:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
AlphaCharlie, can you post more images of the device on top of the cylinders?
Does it looked attached, or a separate item?
A wartime Farnborough report on the Do17 described the oxygen system as being supplied from 5 bottles located in the rear fuselage.
Where can I find these reports?
Dornier Do 17, 3495 U5+DM crashed into the sea at 20:40 hours on 9 November 1940, of unknown causes, off the coast of Kingsdown close to where the wreckage was recovered. Hopefully I can find a date on one of the bottles.
Where did this info come from?
It was posted in Wiki some 14 to 20 Do-17's crashed along the east coast, and every chance Cosford misidentified what they have.
By: - 10th September 2015 at 15:31 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
A local historian i know passed the info onto me. The crew of 3495 are burried in the local cemetery.
By: - 10th September 2015 at 15:52 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This is 17M/P version, but may be similar to 17z
(17M was used in BoB on limited basis)
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Other cutaways can be found here (about Spanish CW 17's)
By: - 10th September 2015 at 19:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Flying Pencil PM sent
Aeronut
By: - 10th September 2015 at 19:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The whole piece measures approximately 24" wide by 20" High, each of the bottles are approximately 15.5" High.
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By: alphacharlie - 9th September 2015 at 16:39
Hi All
I have just been given the following wreckage, it was recovered from fishing nets off the coast of Kent.
Any Idea what aircraft they may be from, there is a small piece that has german writing on it.
Kind Regards
