By: Andraxxus
- 17th November 2016 at 02:32Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
There's even a photo on the Tor wiki claiming to be an SA-N-9 launch from the bow, but the location is obviously ahead of where the SA-N-9 bow silos would have been.
Wiki info is wrong on that one. That is pair of Iglas from the double SA-N-10 launcher.
“We have a two-pronged approach to exploit the hypersonic realm – upgrading the existing BrahMos engine to achieve Mach 5+ speed in three to five years and simultaneously working on a pure hypersonic engine to breach Mach 7 in five-seven years,” Mishra said.
By: ijozic
- 17th November 2016 at 10:00Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Wiki info is wrong on that one. That is pair of Iglas from the double SA-N-10 launcher.
Yeah, it obviously isn't an SA-N-9, but where did you get an idea of SA-N-10 launchers on the Kirov class as there aren't any photos showing them nor any Kirov specs which mention them?
But, the small doors on the structure behind the RBU launchers (where something is apparently being fired from on the photo) got me thinking that these might be some decoys and after a quick search it seems that these are in fact the decoy launchers - you can see the three small doors on the starboard side of it and perhaps four more on the port side.
This diagram describes them as such (13 on the side diagram - ПУСКОВЫЕ УСТАНОВКИ ВЫСТРЕЛИВАЕМИХ ПОМЕХ = decoy launcher; the 13 on the bottom "top-down" diagram points incorrectly to the wrong item and it seems to have been added afterwards incorrectly):
By: JangBoGo
- 17th November 2016 at 12:18Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yeah, it obviously isn't an SA-N-9, but where did you get an idea of SA-N-10 launchers on the Kirov class as there aren't any photos showing them nor any Kirov specs which mention them?
But, the small doors on the structure behind the RBU launchers (where something is apparently being fired from on the photo) got me thinking that these might be some decoys and after a quick search it seems that these are in fact the decoy launchers - you can see the three small doors on the starboard side of it and perhaps four more on the port side.
This diagram describes them as such (13 on the side diagram - ПУСКОВЫЕ УСТАНОВКИ ВЫСТРЕЛИВАЕМИХ ПОМЕХ = decoy launcher; the 13 on the bottom "top-down" diagram points incorrectly to the wrong item and it seems to have been added afterwards incorrectly):
You understanding of the decoy launchers wasn't correct, the illustration (13) clearly points to the decoy launchers.
The pointer shows 2 x PK-2 decoys launchers on the deck edges.
You can have a better view of those in the pic below.
By: ijozic
- 17th November 2016 at 13:33Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
You understanding of the decoy launchers wasn't correct, the illustration (13) clearly points to the decoy launchers.
The pointer shows 2 x PK-2 decoys launchers on the deck edges.
You can have a better view of those in the pic below.
Ah, I see, so the side illustration marking is wrong then. So, these are the PK-2 launchers then I presume. Thanks for resolving this.
By: El_Indigo
- 17th November 2016 at 18:19Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
By now Onyx range can be calculated based on information available.
Hi-Hi - 600 km ( flying at 18 km )
Hi-Lo - 350 km
Lo-Lo - 150 km
That contradicts the info available. Again we have the official word of Lo-Lo range and that is no more then 340 km. As far as upgrading Onyx it'll probably have the same upgrades as Uran and kalibr.
By: Andraxxus
- 18th November 2016 at 12:52Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yeah, it obviously isn't an SA-N-9, but where did you get an idea of SA-N-10 launchers on the Kirov class as there aren't any photos showing them nor any Kirov specs which mention them?
Yeah they are PK-2 launchers. I stand corrected. Just by looking at the picture, and judging by the actual size of the missiles, For a second I've thought they were Iglas, it was 5:30 at night when I posted it. Igla launchers, 12,7 guns etc are not always included in the specs. I assumed that was the case, I was wrong.
By: ijozic
- 18th November 2016 at 18:13Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yeah they are PK-2 launchers. I stand corrected. Just by looking at the picture, and judging by the actual size of the missiles, For a second I've thought they were Iglas, it was 5:30 at night when I posted it. Igla launchers, 12,7 guns etc are not always included in the specs. I assumed that was the case, I was wrong.
Ah, I see, you were referring to the handheld ones, not those on some launcher pad (e.g. like those SA-N-5 on smaller ships).
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By: Y-20 Bacon
- 22nd November 2016 at 09:23Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
recently the Indian auditors criticized the availability rate and reliability of the mig-29ks.
how about on the Russian side? any news on the success of the 29k in operation besides the recent crash?
By: TR1
- 22nd November 2016 at 17:14Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
recently the Indian auditors criticized the availability rate and reliability of the mig-29ks.
how about on the Russian side? any news on the success of the 29k in operation besides the recent crash?
Too early to tell, plus the carrier deployment has too few air-frames to really say much.
Not sure about pilot readiness for the entire MiG-29K fleet either.
No sharp criticisms about availability, though that maybe because spares are domestic.
By: ijozic
- 23rd November 2016 at 09:28Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The altitude is 15 km and below that there is another 200 km mentioned what does it say ?
15 km is the minimum firing range. If I understand correctly, up to 200 km is the maximum distance of the starting (launch?) position from the shoreline.
180 - 350 km is the range against naval targets, up to 450 km against land targets.
By: Austin
- 23rd November 2016 at 17:24Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ok got some details from russiandefence
Maximum firing range against land targets: 450km
Maximum firing range against sea targets: from 180 to 350km
Minimum firing range: 15km
Maximum distance between missile launchers and seacoast : up to 200km
So from offical specs we can conclude
Lo-Lo Range 180 km
Hi-Lo Range 350 km
Hi-Hi Range 450 km
Warhead should be 200-300 kg as Indian Brahmos , I suspect it can do atleast 500-600 km range in hi-hi trajectory but limited by INF treaty
Admiral Essen has to be repaired @ Yantar due to propeller damage from backing up into something. Commander has been relieved.
Repairs will include the replacement of one propeller and shaft-realignment.
Hmm. Apparently the last of the 636.6 series, Kolpino has an improved hydro-acoustic complex. The next 6 ships will also be fitted with it (for the Pacific Fleet, to be delivered by 2021-2022).
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By: Andraxxus - 17th November 2016 at 02:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Wiki info is wrong on that one. That is pair of Iglas from the double SA-N-10 launcher.
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By: Austin - 17th November 2016 at 03:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
By now Onyx range can be calculated based on information available.
Hi-Hi - 600 km ( flying at 18 km )
Hi-Lo - 350 km
Lo-Lo - 150 km
NPO_Mash mentioned recently that they are upgrading Onyx , no details were provided though.
From Indian Brahmos Corp statement we know that Existing Brahmos using Ramjet with changes and new fuel they can achieve speed of close to Mach 5.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/india-s-tribute-to-missile-man-new-brahmos-gets-kalam-name/story-mWxzOK5BXMJGmpg8o7LU2N.html
“We have a two-pronged approach to exploit the hypersonic realm – upgrading the existing BrahMos engine to achieve Mach 5+ speed in three to five years and simultaneously working on a pure hypersonic engine to breach Mach 7 in five-seven years,” Mishra said.
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By: ijozic - 17th November 2016 at 10:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yeah, it obviously isn't an SA-N-9, but where did you get an idea of SA-N-10 launchers on the Kirov class as there aren't any photos showing them nor any Kirov specs which mention them?
But, the small doors on the structure behind the RBU launchers (where something is apparently being fired from on the photo) got me thinking that these might be some decoys and after a quick search it seems that these are in fact the decoy launchers - you can see the three small doors on the starboard side of it and perhaps four more on the port side.
This diagram describes them as such (13 on the side diagram - ПУСКОВЫЕ УСТАНОВКИ ВЫСТРЕЛИВАЕМИХ ПОМЕХ = decoy launcher; the 13 on the bottom "top-down" diagram points incorrectly to the wrong item and it seems to have been added afterwards incorrectly):
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By: JangBoGo - 17th November 2016 at 12:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
You understanding of the decoy launchers wasn't correct, the illustration (13) clearly points to the decoy launchers.
The pointer shows 2 x PK-2 decoys launchers on the deck edges.
You can have a better view of those in the pic below.
Here on INS Vikramaditya
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By: ijozic - 17th November 2016 at 13:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ah, I see, so the side illustration marking is wrong then. So, these are the PK-2 launchers then I presume. Thanks for resolving this.
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By: El_Indigo - 17th November 2016 at 18:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
That contradicts the info available. Again we have the official word of Lo-Lo range and that is no more then 340 km. As far as upgrading Onyx it'll probably have the same upgrades as Uran and kalibr.
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By: Andraxxus - 18th November 2016 at 12:52 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yeah they are PK-2 launchers. I stand corrected. Just by looking at the picture, and judging by the actual size of the missiles, For a second I've thought they were Iglas, it was 5:30 at night when I posted it. Igla launchers, 12,7 guns etc are not always included in the specs. I assumed that was the case, I was wrong.
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By: ijozic - 18th November 2016 at 18:13 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ah, I see, you were referring to the handheld ones, not those on some launcher pad (e.g. like those SA-N-5 on smaller ships).
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By: Y-20 Bacon - 22nd November 2016 at 09:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
recently the Indian auditors criticized the availability rate and reliability of the mig-29ks.
how about on the Russian side? any news on the success of the 29k in operation besides the recent crash?
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By: TR1 - 22nd November 2016 at 17:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Too early to tell, plus the carrier deployment has too few air-frames to really say much.
Not sure about pilot readiness for the entire MiG-29K fleet either.
No sharp criticisms about availability, though that maybe because spares are domestic.
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By: Austin - 23rd November 2016 at 04:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Can some one translate this in English , this is Bastion specs , Specially the part where it says 450 km and 180-350 km
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By: Austin - 23rd November 2016 at 04:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The altitude is 15 km and below that there is another 200 km mentioned what does it say ?
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By: ijozic - 23rd November 2016 at 09:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
15 km is the minimum firing range. If I understand correctly, up to 200 km is the maximum distance of the starting (launch?) position from the shoreline.
180 - 350 km is the range against naval targets, up to 450 km against land targets.
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By: Austin - 23rd November 2016 at 17:24 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ok got some details from russiandefence
So from offical specs we can conclude
Lo-Lo Range 180 km
Hi-Lo Range 350 km
Hi-Hi Range 450 km
Warhead should be 200-300 kg as Indian Brahmos , I suspect it can do atleast 500-600 km range in hi-hi trajectory but limited by INF treaty
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By: TR1 - 25th November 2016 at 06:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The 6th submarine for the BSF, Kolpino is handed over to the navy:
You can see the icebreaker Arktika and the floating nuclear plant Academic Lomonosov being completed in the back (Baltisky Zavod).
6 submarines from Admirality in 6 years (not including export boats):
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By: El_Indigo - 25th November 2016 at 13:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yep, basicly they didn't fully fuel them up to keep the Hi-hi range to 450 km which also limits it's Hi-Lo and Lo-Lo range.
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By: TR1 - 25th November 2016 at 21:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
So, RuNavy heard about the USN and RN new ship woes, and decided to follow suit:
http://flotprom.ru/2016/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%88%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%8F436/
Admiral Essen has to be repaired @ Yantar due to propeller damage from backing up into something. Commander has been relieved.
Repairs will include the replacement of one propeller and shaft-realignment.
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By: swerve - 25th November 2016 at 22:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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By: F-16 - 27th November 2016 at 19:08 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Second Russian project 18280 intelligence ship ‘Ivan Khurs’ to be launched in 2017
http://defense-watch.com/2016/11/26/second-russian-project-18280-intelligence-ship-ivan-khurs-to-be-launched-in-2017/
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By: TR1 - 29th November 2016 at 06:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://vpk.name/news/169110_shestuyu_varshavyanku_dlya_chernomorskogo_flota_osnastili_novoi_gidroakustikoi.html
Hmm. Apparently the last of the 636.6 series, Kolpino has an improved hydro-acoustic complex. The next 6 ships will also be fitted with it (for the Pacific Fleet, to be delivered by 2021-2022).