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By: - 8th April 2016 at 10:17 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hopefully these will find good homes, no doubt other museums ?
By: - 8th April 2016 at 11:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The RAF Museum have put up their latest disposals list of aircraft currently in store including the Miles Hawk Major.http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/documents/acquisitions/Disposals%20list%2003%202016.pdf
Is this DG590? I wonder why an ex-RAF aircraft is deemed to be 'not relevant' - not least for showing the part played by impressed service aircraft during WW2.
Could the Vampire be the ex-Swiss one - these all seem to be Stafford aircraft?
By: - 8th April 2016 at 11:51 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Either they find new homes or the 'Old museum exhibits that probably didn't survive' thread gets a few new entries. :cool:
Out of sheer curiosity, will the Vampire find a new home? They seem to be fairly well represented in museums across the UK.
By: - 8th April 2016 at 12:30 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The Vampire is J-1172, and is a single seat, ex Swiss FB6.
I hope it does find a home - its a nice exhibit for someone.
By: - 8th April 2016 at 13:43 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The Vampire would be an ideal exhibit to represent the last type flown by many Auxiliary Air Force Squadrons as the FB5 and 6 are quite similar
However it would need to be under cover which could limit the potential UK homes
By: - 8th April 2016 at 14:04 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Can someone better informed than me tell me why these aircraft are being put up 'for disposal by gift' rather than being offered for sale, say by auction, in order that the proceeds of sale can be applied for the purpose of the RAFM? Is it by reason of the legal framework within which the RAFM, and perhaps all British public museums, are obliged to operate? Does this mean that the aircraft only can be disposed of to another British public museum and subject to a condition that the acquirer cannot subsequently dispose of the aircraft other than on identical terms? If so presumably this means that the Hawk Major could not pass into private hands for restoration to flying condition.
With my thanks in advance.
AA
By: - 8th April 2016 at 14:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The Vampire was a gift from the Swiss from memory, so flogging it off for cash would be a tad off!
Tim
By: - 8th April 2016 at 14:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Would live to see the Hawk Major restored to flight at Old Warden, failing that it should be a t the Berkshire Museum at woodley. How did the RAFM acquire a Rotec Rally microlight? I assume the Demsoille is a replica?
By: - 8th April 2016 at 15:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Can someone better informed than me tell me why these aircraft are being put up 'for disposal by gift' rather than being offered for sale, say by auction, in order that the proceeds of sale can be applied for the purpose of the RAFM? Is it by reason of the legal framework within which the RAFM, and perhaps all British public museums, are obliged to operate? Does this mean that the aircraft only can be disposed of to another British public museum and subject to a condition that the acquirer cannot subsequently dispose of the aircraft other than on identical terms? If so presumably this means that the Hawk Major could not pass into private hands for restoration to flying condition.With my thanks in advance.
AA
I think that it is mainly to do with them being an Accredited Museum and the associated disposal protocols that allow them to be offered to other Accredited Museums first; disposal by other means may be possible, but after the Accredited Museum route has been investigated first.
A similar process allowed NAM to recently acquire the TriStar sim from RAFM - details in here!
By: - 8th April 2016 at 15:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
We are entering the strange world of museum ethics and the Museum Association there. Don’t expect me to explain or defend that world because I can’t and I won’t.
The important thing to remember from the RAFM document is the passage that says “with preference given to Accredited museums”.
If you are not an Accredited museum that doesn’t mean you can’t register your interest.
I’m sure if you were a Bedfordshire based trust with a proven track record for restoring and displaying aircraft to the public your claim would get a fair hearing.
Anne
By: - 8th April 2016 at 17:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thank you, TwinOtter23 and anneorac. But can you elaborate, please. If an interested party is not an Accredited Museum, or even a public museum at all, and in the absence of any expressions of interest from the foregoing, would it still be the intention of the RAFM to dispose of the aircraft to such an interested party by way of a 'disposal by gift' which, at least to me, suggests that it would be without consideration? And in this event, would one expect the disposal to be on terms that would prevent the acquirer from selling or otherwise disposing of the aircraft?
By: - 8th April 2016 at 17:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Avion Ancien,
I would suggest that an email to the person administering the disposal would give you the answer.
By: - 8th April 2016 at 18:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I will follow that route if the kind and knowledgeable people on this forum are unable to help me by way of answers to my questions. And for the avoidance of doubt, I'm not an 'interested party' vis a vis the Hawk Major!
By: - 8th April 2016 at 18:21 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
avion ancien - I can only comment from the perspective of volunteering at an Accredited museum. I am not aware of any special conditions being applied to the TriStar sim, but that said I have not studied this particular paperwork in any great detail. There may be conditions that I'm aware of.
However it is worth considering the following; if NAM were to ever consider disposing of the TriStar sim (now an accessed item) in the future, as an Accredited museum they would be expected to proceed in a similar manner to the RAFM's original disposal.
By: - 8th April 2016 at 18:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Some pictures of the aircraft in question.
By: - 8th April 2016 at 18:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
That Hawk Major is a thing of beauty as-is. I do question WTF the RAF Museum is up to.
Or how [lack of] 'relevance' is a reason for its disposal??
By: - 8th April 2016 at 19:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
DG590 was a former civilian airframe pressed into RAF service at Broxbourne airfield in Hertfordshire, hope it stays in this country.
By: - 9th April 2016 at 00:48 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
That Hawk Major is a thing of beauty as-is. I do question WTF the RAF Museum is up to.Or how [lack of] 'relevance' is a reason for its disposal??
Why the hell isnt it displayed with the Harvard and Oxford?
By: - 9th April 2016 at 10:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The condition of the Hawk Major is a disgrace, the RAFM should be ashamed at the state of it. Really needs some TLC from somebody who actually cares about this rare aircraft.
By: - 9th April 2016 at 11:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It would be nice to see G-ADMW in a pre-war Phillips & Powis colour scheme, carrying her civil registration mark and with the wind beneath her wings. The impressed serial number DG590 reflects only a minor portion of her active life.
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By: K4235 - 8th April 2016 at 09:58
The RAF Museum have put up their latest disposals list of aircraft currently in store including the Miles Hawk Major.
http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/documents/acquisitions/Disposals%20list%2003%202016.pdf