By: jdsgn
- 5th February 2010 at 18:39Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Does anybody else find it ironic that you don't hear of Americans really bragging about beating such and such in a DACT but when the opposite happens its all over the web? I can't even remember the last time I heard about something from the U.S. winning over seas other than the F-22... we must be such a joke.... wait I know who Id rather not face if I were an opposing nation...
By: Amiga500
- 5th February 2010 at 18:42Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Does anybody else find it ironic that you don't hear of Americans really bragging about beating such and such in a DACT but when the opposite happens its all over the web?
Being devils advocate... potentially they don't brag because they never win? :diablo: :D
By: Racomm
- 9th February 2010 at 19:28Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Does anybody else find it ironic that you don't hear of Americans really bragging about beating such and such in a DACT but when the opposite happens its all over the web? I can't even remember the last time I heard about something from the U.S. winning over seas other than the F-22... we must be such a joke.... wait I know who Id rather not face if I were an opposing nation...
There's a video on here somewhere, when an F-15 pilot was talking out his a@# about how the Indian Su-30's TVC was not good and isn't really effective in battle, during the Red Flag pratice in 09, anybody with half a brain can tell he was lying/exaggerating buy his laungage/body movements.
By: jdsgn
- 9th February 2010 at 19:51Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
There's a video on here somewhere, when an F-15 pilot was talking out his a@# about how the Indian Su-30's TVC was not good and isn't really effective in battle, during the Red Flag pratice in 09, anybody with half a brain can tell he was lying/exaggerating buy his laungage/body movements.
Oh Ive seen it.... and you have no idea whether he is talking out of his ass or not. I know the Flanker fanboys love to think that the mighty TVC equipped Flanker destroys Eagles like they were WW1 spads... but its not the case. Might I add that he was very complimentary in his statements about the Indians and their Flankers. TVC used improperly will kill energy... fact... thats what he said.
By: MadRat
- 9th February 2010 at 20:34Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
OR... Our radar and defensive electronics have progressed faster than optics thereby negating the need for IRST.
Now, with the advent of VLO fighters and the ROW catching up with radar tech and defensive electronics, we have decided that an advanced IRST would be a good addition to have.
In all fairness its not like they were naked in this regard. Their optical search capabilities have always been a mystery to the public and it may or may not have been an irst of some form. Obviously they felt the need for some improvement, and they have chosen a very public way to promote it. Makes me wonder if there isn't more to the upgrade.
By: mabie
- 19th February 2010 at 04:00Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Oh Ive seen it.... and you have no idea whether he is talking out of his ass or not. I know the Flanker fanboys love to think that the mighty TVC equipped Flanker destroys Eagles like they were WW1 spads... but its not the case. Might I add that he was very complimentary in his statements about the Indians and their Flankers. TVC used improperly will kill energy... fact... thats what he said.
The guy is a professional fighter pilot addressing a group of his peers. If he valued his credibility, he wouldn't be making wild claims or exagerrations in front of people who most likely were present at the event and have access to the same info that he does. Especially when it is being recorded.
Now, of course if this was all a propaganda exercise and he was a willing stooge in front of a bogus audience, that's another possibility but somehow I doubt it. I don't think that's in the job description for USAF pilots. Anyway, truth is, the USAF pilots were well prepared after extensive exercises vs the supermaneuverable F-22 and they applied the lessons learned rather well vs the Flankers within the established ROEs.
Bottom line is one can only hope the IAF came away having learned a few lessons as well. That was the objective of the exercise after all.
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By: Amiga500 - 5th February 2010 at 18:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It is interesting that the both the USAF and USN see fit to go to considerable lengths and expense to fit IRST systems to their aircraft.
I wonder why....
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By: jdsgn - 5th February 2010 at 18:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Does anybody else find it ironic that you don't hear of Americans really bragging about beating such and such in a DACT but when the opposite happens its all over the web? I can't even remember the last time I heard about something from the U.S. winning over seas other than the F-22... we must be such a joke.... wait I know who Id rather not face if I were an opposing nation...
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By: Amiga500 - 5th February 2010 at 18:42 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Being devils advocate... potentially they don't brag because they never win? :diablo: :D
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By: sferrin - 5th February 2010 at 18:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yeah, that must be it. :rolleyes: More like they're expected to win, so it's only newsworthy if they lose.
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By: Racomm - 9th February 2010 at 19:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
There's a video on here somewhere, when an F-15 pilot was talking out his a@# about how the Indian Su-30's TVC was not good and isn't really effective in battle, during the Red Flag pratice in 09, anybody with half a brain can tell he was lying/exaggerating buy his laungage/body movements.
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By: jdsgn - 9th February 2010 at 19:51 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Oh Ive seen it.... and you have no idea whether he is talking out of his ass or not. I know the Flanker fanboys love to think that the mighty TVC equipped Flanker destroys Eagles like they were WW1 spads... but its not the case. Might I add that he was very complimentary in his statements about the Indians and their Flankers. TVC used improperly will kill energy... fact... thats what he said.
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By: MadRat - 9th February 2010 at 20:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
In all fairness its not like they were naked in this regard. Their optical search capabilities have always been a mystery to the public and it may or may not have been an irst of some form. Obviously they felt the need for some improvement, and they have chosen a very public way to promote it. Makes me wonder if there isn't more to the upgrade.
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By: sferrin - 11th February 2010 at 13:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It's all about $$$$. "We need to save some money, so what can we do without?" Always has been.
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By: ZUYEV - 18th February 2010 at 12:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
.Does anyone here know the designation of such device? Is it a FLIR or an IRST? Thanks in advance;);)
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By: xtr970 - 18th February 2010 at 12:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It's IRST.
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By: Deino - 18th February 2010 at 13:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks for posting !
Do You know anything about its status ?? will it be only for testing or is it planned to be used in front-line use ?
Deino
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By: ZUYEV - 19th February 2010 at 03:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Does anyone here know its designation? Thanks again ;)
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By: mabie - 19th February 2010 at 04:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The guy is a professional fighter pilot addressing a group of his peers. If he valued his credibility, he wouldn't be making wild claims or exagerrations in front of people who most likely were present at the event and have access to the same info that he does. Especially when it is being recorded.
Now, of course if this was all a propaganda exercise and he was a willing stooge in front of a bogus audience, that's another possibility but somehow I doubt it. I don't think that's in the job description for USAF pilots. Anyway, truth is, the USAF pilots were well prepared after extensive exercises vs the supermaneuverable F-22 and they applied the lessons learned rather well vs the Flankers within the established ROEs.
Bottom line is one can only hope the IAF came away having learned a few lessons as well. That was the objective of the exercise after all.
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By: xtr970 - 19th February 2010 at 08:59 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The designation is unknown yet.
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By: xtr970 - 19th February 2010 at 09:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
F-15J Multistage Improvement Program has two stages and the second stage includes IRST. The Second stage will start in 2011-12.
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By: Peter G - 20th February 2010 at 00:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
AAQ-1?
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By: xtr970 - 20th February 2010 at 04:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
J/AAQ-1 is TIE for U-125A.
J/AAQ-2 is FLIR for F-2.
So, maybe J/AAQ-3.