martinez, it was a combo R-27T and R-27R in the other side with two R60M for dogfight, the idea was to launch both R-27 on the same target to have more hit chances
martinez, it was a combo R-27T and R-27R in the other side with two R60M for dogfight, the idea was to launch both R-27 on the same target to have more hit chances
Hello FULCRUM, any chance you post a picture of this izd. 9.13 with visible both missiles under wings, the R-27T & R-27R combo is something unbelievable for those knowing the baseline 9.12A only...;)
By: FULCRUM29
- 28th March 2012 at 23:55Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Martinez, this pictures was taken from the same documentary in 2002 but I can't say if it's the same Fulcrum, but I can confime that I already see with my own eyes such configuration on two Mig-29S here
mack8, here are some pictures of the 1980's Fencers
By: martinez
- 29th March 2012 at 18:47Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Martinez, this pictures was taken from the same documentary in 2002 but I can't say if it's the same Fulcrum, but I can confime that I already see with my own eyes such configuration on two Mig-29S here
Ok, thanks, anyway could it be that it was some kind of weapons load-out demonstration and not a real working config? Can you check that with someone working on Algerian Migs?
By: martinez
- 29th March 2012 at 21:11Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Oh you know the plane I'm talking about was one of the two alert Fulcrums, so it aws the real weapon load out ;)
Interesting, but sad there is not a photo backing that up, but I believe you. There were various upgrades of the 9.13 weapon system throughout the service life in the VVS, so in the end they could have been capable to fire missile combos, something once known with the Mig-23 as well(R-23R+R-23T). Is it possible to post a better detailed photo below in order to read that stenciled text underlined with red? thanks
By: mack8
- 31st March 2012 at 00:52Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hmm i have never seen that on fencer before. I suppose it is flares? Thanks for great pics, some are new to me.
Aparently the story of the fences is Su-24Ms had them initially ( they were rounded in shape) but then they were found too disruptive and removed.
Meenwhile , the export version had them too initially (in the shown form , squareish, with CMDS incorporated in them ), but then later they were removed aswell (i think the CMDS is on either side of tail above the engines in that case)
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By: mack8 - 27th March 2012 at 20:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Judging by the latest pictures ( showing freshly overhauled aircraft), and the 2011 participation in the Circaete exercices , they sure are.:)
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By: FULCRUM29 - 27th March 2012 at 23:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
All this pictures was taken after 2000, but this one was taken before 1994
http://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/13/82/11/29/untitl10.jpg
martinez, it was a combo R-27T and R-27R in the other side with two R60M for dogfight, the idea was to launch both R-27 on the same target to have more hit chances
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By: mack8 - 28th March 2012 at 00:06 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks FULCRUM29.
Meenwhile, a pic of presumably one of the older Su-24MKs , which arrived before 1991. Note the square fences over the fixed wing holding APP-50 CMDS.
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By: Berkut - 28th March 2012 at 01:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hmm i have never seen that on fencer before. I suppose it is flares? Thanks for great pics, some are new to me.
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By: martinez - 28th March 2012 at 15:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hello FULCRUM, any chance you post a picture of this izd. 9.13 with visible both missiles under wings, the R-27T & R-27R combo is something unbelievable for those knowing the baseline 9.12A only...;)
thanks in advance
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By: FULCRUM29 - 28th March 2012 at 23:55 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Martinez, this pictures was taken from the same documentary in 2002 but I can't say if it's the same Fulcrum, but I can confime that I already see with my own eyes such configuration on two Mig-29S here
mack8, here are some pictures of the 1980's Fencers
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By: martinez - 29th March 2012 at 18:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ok, thanks, anyway could it be that it was some kind of weapons load-out demonstration and not a real working config? Can you check that with someone working on Algerian Migs?
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By: FULCRUM29 - 29th March 2012 at 19:52 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Oh you know the plane I'm talking about was one of the two alert Fulcrums, so it aws the real weapon load out ;)
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By: martinez - 29th March 2012 at 21:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Interesting, but sad there is not a photo backing that up, but I believe you. There were various upgrades of the 9.13 weapon system throughout the service life in the VVS, so in the end they could have been capable to fire missile combos, something once known with the Mig-23 as well(R-23R+R-23T). Is it possible to post a better detailed photo below in order to read that stenciled text underlined with red? thanks
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By: mack8 - 29th March 2012 at 21:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
What will that be, the stencil with the radar name? :)
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By: FULCRUM29 - 30th March 2012 at 00:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I think that the same combo can be used on the Foxbats by using R-40T and R on the same time
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By: wilhelm - 30th March 2012 at 22:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Nice videos.
How many Super Hinds are in service? How are they doing?
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By: MSphere - 31st March 2012 at 00:31 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
ATE SuperHind and Be1900 HISAR ELINT
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By: mack8 - 31st March 2012 at 00:52 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Aparently the story of the fences is Su-24Ms had them initially ( they were rounded in shape) but then they were found too disruptive and removed.
Meenwhile , the export version had them too initially (in the shown form , squareish, with CMDS incorporated in them ), but then later they were removed aswell (i think the CMDS is on either side of tail above the engines in that case)
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By: mack8 - 1st April 2012 at 12:17 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Some nice footage of the MKA here, courtesy of Dr. Watson from forcesdz :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNH4qZzs47U&feature=player_embedded
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By: FULCRUM29 - 1st April 2012 at 18:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Officially we upgraded 33 Hinds, in reality 40, two crashed so we have 38 Super Hind, but actually 70% of the fleet is grounded for huge overhauls
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By: mack8 - 5th April 2012 at 20:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Mi-171Sh :)
Another nice picture :
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By: mack8 - 6th April 2012 at 20:21 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Said to be a Su-30MKA for AAF, in 2009
(c) Evgeny Volkov
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By: FULCRUM29 - 8th April 2012 at 23:22 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
MiG-25 Foxbat with R-40T :dev2:
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By: FULCRUM29 - 15th April 2012 at 23:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
R-73