By: Archer
- 16th November 2004 at 12:58Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This car is the Napier Railton. normally on display in the club house at Brooklands Museum. It holds the outer circuit record (for ever now)
It was built there by Reid Railton and uses a Napier Lion engine. It did a run down Farnborough's runway at this years show as part of the Motor Sport display.
mmitch.
By: Charlielima5
- 16th November 2004 at 22:11Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Nice pic Archer! Note: this car was in fact designed by Reid Railton and built at Brooklands by Thomson & Taylor Ltd.
Since first posting this thread, I've found quite a bit more about Jameson and the related aero engine and engineering companies. I have also established that the late Paul Jameson built one Meteor-powered car and one and a half Merlin-powered cars. The half-finished car was being built c1990 with some help from Autokraft/A C Cars at Brooklands, but sadly Paul died before completing it. He did get it running however, but I have no idea what then became of it....
Finally, I have heard that Paul was well known in 1970s/80s warbird circles and that several Spitfires made a flypast at his funeral which I believe was in the Dorking area c1990. Can anyone confirm this and which Spitfires were involved?
By: Mark12
- 16th November 2004 at 22:29Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Carlielima5,
You might find a line of research in either Motor or Autocar. I am sure it was one of these that ran a competition to design/style a body for the six wheel Merlin car. This would be post July 1975 when I had circuited the the estate in the 'running' chassis.
From memory, I think the back end of two Mk X Jaguars were required to get the power down to the ground. :)
By: J Boyle
- 16th November 2004 at 22:46Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
American talk show host/car nut Jay Leno has a 1938 Rolls Royce Phantom II powered by a Merlin. It was featured on a episode of "My Classic Car" a couple of years ago.
By: Melvyn Hiscock
- 17th November 2004 at 14:23Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
In reverse are there any planes powered by automobile engines ??
Loads, lots of VW powered aeroplanes. Subaru engines are being used now, there are a couple of Porsche-powered aeroplanes. The Vimy had Chevvies and BMW truck engines. The Pietenpol Aircamper had a Ford V-8. There are a lot more, those are just off the top of my head.
By: Melvyn Hiscock
- 17th November 2004 at 15:33Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Your standard issue Lycoming (C152 / PA28) is basically a VW horizontally-opposed four.
Moggy
Only inasmuch as being a flat-four, they are not related in any other way. Itsabit like saying a Liberty and a V-12 Jag engine are the same! Looking at my aircraft piston engines book (just happens to be next to me as I work today) it says the forerunner of them all was really the Aeronca E-113-A twin. This was produced over here as the Aeronca-JAP. That was followed by the Cont/ A-40.
By: Bigglesworth
- 17th November 2004 at 17:07Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
VW engines are, boy comparison, quite modern!
Melv
I was under the impression that the VW 'boxer' had actually gone 'full circle' in as much that it was WW1 era, designed as an aeromotor and used later in cars. It's use in the Beetle(and others) was due primarily to the need to keep the vehicle cheap and easy to maintain- no plumbing for the cooling, no water pump or radiator to worry about.
Originally Posted by eddywinch82
In reverse are there any planes powered by automobile engines ??
Other car engines such as the Mazda rotary engines have proved popular in the USA. I think Peugot are working on a diesel engine based around one of their existing engines. Opel are doing similar in Germany as far as I know.
Motorbike engines are also popular, there are a few home/kit built Europas and microlights flying with BMW twin cylinder engines.
By: dhfan
- 17th November 2004 at 19:40Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Someone have his sweeties stolen this morning?
as we all know the Jaguar V-12 is two V-8 landrover engines less a bit.
I know you jest, do you?
Yes, the Clive du Cros replica was originally powered by a Jaguar V12. The reduction gearing was a substantial part of the cost. I don't believe it was ever changed but I don't know for certain.
By: Melvyn Hiscock
- 17th November 2004 at 22:18Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
as we all know the Jaguar V-12 is two V-8 landrover engines less a bit.
I know you jest, do you?
V-engines are made in a long strip and cut to length and you, if you need to, you can glue them together again. After all, if you take two V-8s, glue them together and cut off a V-4 you can power a Jag and a Ford Corsair.
I thought everyone knew that.
Radials are just rotaries that were picked before they were ripe.
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By: Archer - 16th November 2004 at 12:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Photo:
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By: Charlielima5 - 16th November 2004 at 22:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Nice pic Archer! Note: this car was in fact designed by Reid Railton and built at Brooklands by Thomson & Taylor Ltd.
Since first posting this thread, I've found quite a bit more about Jameson and the related aero engine and engineering companies. I have also established that the late Paul Jameson built one Meteor-powered car and one and a half Merlin-powered cars. The half-finished car was being built c1990 with some help from Autokraft/A C Cars at Brooklands, but sadly Paul died before completing it. He did get it running however, but I have no idea what then became of it....
Finally, I have heard that Paul was well known in 1970s/80s warbird circles and that several Spitfires made a flypast at his funeral which I believe was in the Dorking area c1990. Can anyone confirm this and which Spitfires were involved?
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By: Mark12 - 16th November 2004 at 22:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Carlielima5,
You might find a line of research in either Motor or Autocar. I am sure it was one of these that ran a competition to design/style a body for the six wheel Merlin car. This would be post July 1975 when I had circuited the the estate in the 'running' chassis.
From memory, I think the back end of two Mk X Jaguars were required to get the power down to the ground. :)
Paul Jameson - an engineer's engineer.
Mark
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By: J Boyle - 16th November 2004 at 22:46 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
American talk show host/car nut Jay Leno has a 1938 Rolls Royce Phantom II powered by a Merlin. It was featured on a episode of "My Classic Car" a couple of years ago.
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By: Septic - 16th November 2004 at 23:02 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Did Jameson live in the Village of Outwood in Surrey, as I may have a lead on the whereabouts of the car.
Septic.
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By: Mark12 - 16th November 2004 at 23:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Septic
I have Brockamhurst, Betchworth, Surrey.
Mark
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By: eddywinch82 - 17th November 2004 at 00:31 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This chevy is powered by a Rolls-Royce Merlin :-
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By: eddywinch82 - 17th November 2004 at 01:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Here is another picture of the Chevy with a Merlin :-
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By: eddywinch82 - 17th November 2004 at 14:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
In reverse are there any planes powered by automobile engines ??
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By: Melvyn Hiscock - 17th November 2004 at 14:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Loads, lots of VW powered aeroplanes. Subaru engines are being used now, there are a couple of Porsche-powered aeroplanes. The Vimy had Chevvies and BMW truck engines. The Pietenpol Aircamper had a Ford V-8. There are a lot more, those are just off the top of my head.
MH
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By: Moggy C - 17th November 2004 at 14:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Your standard issue Lycoming (C152 / PA28) is basically a VW horizontally-opposed four.
Moggy
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By: Melvyn Hiscock - 17th November 2004 at 15:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Only inasmuch as being a flat-four, they are not related in any other way. Itsabit like saying a Liberty and a V-12 Jag engine are the same! Looking at my aircraft piston engines book (just happens to be next to me as I work today) it says the forerunner of them all was really the Aeronca E-113-A twin. This was produced over here as the Aeronca-JAP. That was followed by the Cont/ A-40.
VW engines are, boy comparison, quite modern!
Melv
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By: eddywinch82 - 17th November 2004 at 16:48 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I vaguely remember that the Spitfire Prototype full size replica was powered by a Jaguar V12 Car Engine can anybody verify this ??
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By: Moggy C - 17th November 2004 at 16:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
That's come as a surprise to me. I always thought the block was VW based.
Live and learn.
Moggy
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By: Melvyn Hiscock - 17th November 2004 at 16:55 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Someone have his sweeties stolen this morning?
as we all know the Jaguar V-12 is two V-8 landrover engines less a bit.
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By: Melvyn Hiscock - 17th November 2004 at 16:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yup, as I remember.
Someone made a Hurri I with a Jag in it so that it could taxi. I think that one is at Tangmere.
MH
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By: Bigglesworth - 17th November 2004 at 17:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I was under the impression that the VW 'boxer' had actually gone 'full circle' in as much that it was WW1 era, designed as an aeromotor and used later in cars. It's use in the Beetle(and others) was due primarily to the need to keep the vehicle cheap and easy to maintain- no plumbing for the cooling, no water pump or radiator to worry about.
Originally Posted by eddywinch82
In reverse are there any planes powered by automobile engines ??
Other car engines such as the Mazda rotary engines have proved popular in the USA. I think Peugot are working on a diesel engine based around one of their existing engines. Opel are doing similar in Germany as far as I know.
Motorbike engines are also popular, there are a few home/kit built Europas and microlights flying with BMW twin cylinder engines.
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By: dhfan - 17th November 2004 at 19:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I know you jest, do you?
Yes, the Clive du Cros replica was originally powered by a Jaguar V12. The reduction gearing was a substantial part of the cost. I don't believe it was ever changed but I don't know for certain.
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By: Melvyn Hiscock - 17th November 2004 at 22:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
V-engines are made in a long strip and cut to length and you, if you need to, you can glue them together again. After all, if you take two V-8s, glue them together and cut off a V-4 you can power a Jag and a Ford Corsair.
I thought everyone knew that.
Radials are just rotaries that were picked before they were ripe.
Sorry, nurse is calling . . . .
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By: eddywinch82 - 17th November 2004 at 23:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
does anybody have any sound files of a rolls-royce merlin being used in a car ? such as the chevy 55 e.t.c ???