By: NickB
- 7th October 2010 at 12:00Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Some lovely pics here, although sadly she's in a sorry state now.
In the first pic of her arriving at Halfpenny Green, there appears to be a number of dayglo panelled RAF 'Annies' parked in the background. According to Google, the RAF had already moved out by 1968, so who did those a/c belong to? They look a bit like those Anson's that were operated out of Bovingdon that I believe were retired in the late 60's, so perhaps they were stored at HG?
By: pagen01
- 7th October 2010 at 13:00Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks for that, you would think there would be duplicity with the ATC, but I guess it dosen't have the Queens Regs, shouting, and marching up and down the square to worry about!
By: Planemike
- 7th October 2010 at 13:37Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
[QUOTE=Nige;1647214]No idea who the delivery flight crew were, the chap in the scout shirt and glasses was Gordon Emmanuelle, troop leader, the dapper chap in the suit on the left in the third photo was Frank(?) Flavell, chair of the scout group. Neither was involved in the later shenanigans...
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Interested to see the picture of Frank(?) Flavell, he was a wholesale jeweller in Birmingham. His son son Roger learned to fly at 1/2dg. Anyone know if Roger is still around?
By: Nige
- 7th October 2010 at 14:14Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Interested to see the picture of Frank(?) Flavell, he was a wholesale jeweller in Birmingham. His son son Roger learned to fly at 1/2dg. Anyone know if Roger is still around?
Planemike
Roger used to hire a Cherokee and fly the scouts on a Sunday morning, me included...
No idea if Frank or Roger is still around...
That picture has so much atmosphere. There is so much more going on in it than just the Anson's. Definitely captures a bygone era that I wish I could have experienced.
By: WJ244
- 7th October 2010 at 18:07Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I can't find the link on the web now but when I was researching Tony Osborne - the original founder of the British Historic Aircraft Museum - I found a thread with lots of information about Tippers Air Transport.
They had advertised the Ansons for sale as Executive conversions and tried using one to ferry cattle to and from Jersey. I think the site said the max load was 3 or 4 cattle with the pilot climbing in through the cockpit window as there was no space to get past the cattle from the usual entry door. The Anson's career as a cattle freighter was very short as cow by products rotted all the fabric.
It also said that the main owner of Tippers was a farmer and many of the Ansons were stripped of their engines which were stored on his farm.
VL348 / G-AVVO is a Tippers Air Transport survivor. It flew into Southend in silver and dayglo and was impounded along with Tippers crew ferry Proctor G-ANZJ for non payment of parking fees. The Proctor went to BHAM and later to the Historic Aircraft Museum. The Anson was passed direct to the Historic Aircarft Museum and was passed on to Newark when G-AGPG was donated to the Southend museum by Ekco Electronics.
By: adrian_gray
- 12th October 2010 at 22:04Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well, G-AGPG may look rough, but at least she's in the dry, which is more than could be said when I saw her last at Brenzett in 1993 (I presume there weren't two E K Collins Ansons about?).
I don't even want to think about what would be needed to restore her.
By: WJ244
- 14th October 2010 at 20:33Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
(I presume there weren't two E K Collins Ansons about?). Adrian
There were two Ekco Ansons but not two at the same time.
Prior to G-AGPG Ekco had used Anson G-ALIH. I am pretty sure G-ALIH ran out of hours so GPG was acquired as a replacment in the late 1960's.
The two aircraft swapped noses so that GPG acquired the radar nose and after a short time on the dump at Southend LIH moved to Newark with a standard nose where some of the local yobs kindly torched her. Ironically the replacement Newark Anson VL348 also came from Southend when it was disposed of by the Historic Aircraft Museum after GPG was donated to the museum when Ekco retired her.
The problems with GPG started when the museum cut staff numbers. As a result it became very difficult to keep an eye on visitors and someone slashed the belly fabric at the museum and the wind got inside and ballooned off much of the rest of the fuselage fabric. Unfortunately it was downhill from there.
The Beverley cockpit also suffered for the same reason. I can remember a time when the Beverley was only opened up when there was a staff member available to sit in the cockpit and make sure nothing got broken or went walkabout. It got extremely hot up there in the summer!
I was saddened the last time I went inside to find so much damage caused by a mindless few. I was told much of the damage, including smashing all the autopilot, had been done with the aircraft fire axe.
By: narked50
- 31st October 2011 at 10:27Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Tippers air transport
Hi, I am Nick Tipper, Tippers Air transport was my Dad's company, I remmember taxiing one of those Ansons when I was a boy in 1968, I still have some parts off them I think. We used to be at Coventry airport before Halfpenny green, I presume they were flown to Halfpenny green from Coventry. I always wondered what had happened to our aircraft. I think it was Midland bank that placed a lien on the 2 at Southend. Then presumably ran up parking fees. If anyone wants any info, I will try and remember.
Hi, I am Nick Tipper, Tippers Air transport was my Dad's company, I remmember taxiing one of those Ansons when I was a boy in 1968, I still have some parts off them I think. We used to be at Coventry airport before Halfpenny green, I presume they were flown to Halfpenny green from Coventry. I always wondered what had happened to our aircraft. I think it was Midland bank that placed a lien on the 2 at Southend. Then presumably ran up parking fees. If anyone wants any info, I will try and remember.
By: narked50
- 31st October 2011 at 21:49Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Proctor
Thanks for the welcome, I have just unearthed the logbook for the Proctor
G-ANZJ, the C of A appears to have run out in March 1967.
I will see if I can find any paperwork for any of the Ansons. We used to have a blue one that we used for taking cattle to Turkey. I may have some photos as well.
This forum is fascinating!
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By: richw_82 - 6th October 2010 at 15:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
:(
Tell me they're working on sorting her out... they can't be leaving her in a state like that.
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By: NickB - 7th October 2010 at 12:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Some lovely pics here, although sadly she's in a sorry state now.
In the first pic of her arriving at Halfpenny Green, there appears to be a number of dayglo panelled RAF 'Annies' parked in the background. According to Google, the RAF had already moved out by 1968, so who did those a/c belong to? They look a bit like those Anson's that were operated out of Bovingdon that I believe were retired in the late 60's, so perhaps they were stored at HG?
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By: Nige - 7th October 2010 at 12:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The Ansons parked at the back were owned by 'Tippers Air Transport'.
Tippers went to the wall at some point in the late 60's and the Ansons were dumped out of the way.
Eventually, the airfield owners had them bulldozed, but not before the air scouts were given free access to them for 'spares'.
I have an Anson spinner sitting under the table here as I write...;)
Nige
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By: pagen01 - 7th October 2010 at 12:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Sorry to go off on a bit of a tangent Nige, but who were the Air Scouts?
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By: Nige - 7th October 2010 at 12:56 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Here you go...
Halfpenny Green Air Scouts
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By: pagen01 - 7th October 2010 at 13:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks for that, you would think there would be duplicity with the ATC, but I guess it dosen't have the Queens Regs, shouting, and marching up and down the square to worry about!
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By: Planemike - 7th October 2010 at 13:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
[QUOTE=Nige;1647214]No idea who the delivery flight crew were, the chap in the scout shirt and glasses was Gordon Emmanuelle, troop leader, the dapper chap in the suit on the left in the third photo was Frank(?) Flavell, chair of the scout group. Neither was involved in the later shenanigans...
[QUOTE]
Interested to see the picture of Frank(?) Flavell, he was a wholesale jeweller in Birmingham. His son son Roger learned to fly at 1/2dg. Anyone know if Roger is still around?
Planemike
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By: Nige - 7th October 2010 at 14:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Roger used to hire a Cherokee and fly the scouts on a Sunday morning, me included...
No idea if Frank or Roger is still around...
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By: Jon H - 7th October 2010 at 14:22 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Now there is an idea..... ;)
Jon
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By: NickB - 7th October 2010 at 14:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks Nige.
Any colour pics (or B&W come to that) of the 'Tippers' Anson's? Dayglo always looks good on aircraft of that period.
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By: Planemike - 7th October 2010 at 16:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Found one here:::::: http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1220896/
Planemike
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By: NickB - 7th October 2010 at 16:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
That picture has so much atmosphere. There is so much more going on in it than just the Anson's. Definitely captures a bygone era that I wish I could have experienced.
Lovely.
Oh for a time machine & a quality DSLR... :(
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By: WJ244 - 7th October 2010 at 18:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I can't find the link on the web now but when I was researching Tony Osborne - the original founder of the British Historic Aircraft Museum - I found a thread with lots of information about Tippers Air Transport.
They had advertised the Ansons for sale as Executive conversions and tried using one to ferry cattle to and from Jersey. I think the site said the max load was 3 or 4 cattle with the pilot climbing in through the cockpit window as there was no space to get past the cattle from the usual entry door. The Anson's career as a cattle freighter was very short as cow by products rotted all the fabric.
It also said that the main owner of Tippers was a farmer and many of the Ansons were stripped of their engines which were stored on his farm.
VL348 / G-AVVO is a Tippers Air Transport survivor. It flew into Southend in silver and dayglo and was impounded along with Tippers crew ferry Proctor G-ANZJ for non payment of parking fees. The Proctor went to BHAM and later to the Historic Aircraft Museum. The Anson was passed direct to the Historic Aircarft Museum and was passed on to Newark when G-AGPG was donated to the Southend museum by Ekco Electronics.
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By: adrian_gray - 12th October 2010 at 22:04 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well, G-AGPG may look rough, but at least she's in the dry, which is more than could be said when I saw her last at Brenzett in 1993 (I presume there weren't two E K Collins Ansons about?).
I don't even want to think about what would be needed to restore her.
Adrian
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By: markb - 13th October 2010 at 19:48 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
EK Cole, not Collins
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By: adrian_gray - 13th October 2010 at 22:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Bother - so it is! Thanks for the correction!
Adrian
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By: WJ244 - 14th October 2010 at 20:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
There were two Ekco Ansons but not two at the same time.
Prior to G-AGPG Ekco had used Anson G-ALIH. I am pretty sure G-ALIH ran out of hours so GPG was acquired as a replacment in the late 1960's.
The two aircraft swapped noses so that GPG acquired the radar nose and after a short time on the dump at Southend LIH moved to Newark with a standard nose where some of the local yobs kindly torched her. Ironically the replacement Newark Anson VL348 also came from Southend when it was disposed of by the Historic Aircraft Museum after GPG was donated to the museum when Ekco retired her.
The problems with GPG started when the museum cut staff numbers. As a result it became very difficult to keep an eye on visitors and someone slashed the belly fabric at the museum and the wind got inside and ballooned off much of the rest of the fuselage fabric. Unfortunately it was downhill from there.
The Beverley cockpit also suffered for the same reason. I can remember a time when the Beverley was only opened up when there was a staff member available to sit in the cockpit and make sure nothing got broken or went walkabout. It got extremely hot up there in the summer!
I was saddened the last time I went inside to find so much damage caused by a mindless few. I was told much of the damage, including smashing all the autopilot, had been done with the aircraft fire axe.
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By: narked50 - 31st October 2011 at 10:27 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Tippers air transport
Hi, I am Nick Tipper, Tippers Air transport was my Dad's company, I remmember taxiing one of those Ansons when I was a boy in 1968, I still have some parts off them I think. We used to be at Coventry airport before Halfpenny green, I presume they were flown to Halfpenny green from Coventry. I always wondered what had happened to our aircraft. I think it was Midland bank that placed a lien on the 2 at Southend. Then presumably ran up parking fees. If anyone wants any info, I will try and remember.
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By: avion ancien - 31st October 2011 at 18:04 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Welcome to the forum, Nick. Having regard to the number of times the ex RAF Anson T.21s/Avro 19s have come up for discussion here, I suspect that there will be not a few members with not a few questions about the TAT Ansons! In the meantime, take a look at http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=87766 and at http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=109723. Hopefully you will find them of interest.
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By: narked50 - 31st October 2011 at 21:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Proctor
Thanks for the welcome, I have just unearthed the logbook for the Proctor
G-ANZJ, the C of A appears to have run out in March 1967.
I will see if I can find any paperwork for any of the Ansons. We used to have a blue one that we used for taking cattle to Turkey. I may have some photos as well.
This forum is fascinating!