By: RyukyuRhymer
- 5th June 2008 at 12:36Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
on a side but related note. Lately I've been playing this PC game called "Air Management" in America its known as Aerobiz. Its an airline simulation game.
You can buy the Il-96-300 or the A340 for your airlines. Based on the game at least, the Il-96 was cheaper but its higher maintenance and gas costs took a higher chunk of the total revenues of a route while the A340 costed more than twice as much as the Il-96 but had significantly better gas and maintenance costs. Even after several months, despite the A340 being cheaper/more profitable to operate.. it took a very very long time to make up for the costs of being twice as expensive than the Il-96. This of course is just a game :)
By: Schorsch
- 5th June 2008 at 16:19Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
on a side but related note. Lately I've been playing this PC game called "Air Management" in America its known as Aerobiz. Its an airline simulation game.
You can buy the Il-96-300 or the A340 for your airlines. Based on the game at least, the Il-96 was cheaper but its higher maintenance and gas costs took a higher chunk of the total revenues of a route while the A340 costed more than twice as much as the Il-96 but had significantly better gas and maintenance costs. Even after several months, despite the A340 being cheaper/more profitable to operate.. it took a very very long time to make up for the costs of being twice as expensive than the Il-96. This of course is just a game :)
And the author knows his figures from sources like this one.
Airlines in the world know real life figures.
Airline operate A340.
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By: star49
- 5th June 2008 at 16:42Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
And the author knows his figures from sources like this one.
Airlines in the world know real life figures.
Airline operate A340.
World Airlines also get good leases/payment schedules to get A-340 which Russian banks simply cannot compete untill recently. Similar is production rates at factory. It has practically nothing to do with end product comparision. Cash basis economy only IL-96 willl succeed in long term.
By: TwinAisle
- 6th June 2008 at 10:12Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Let's talk spares availability, fleet commonality, customer (and passenger) resistance, as well as fuel burn and the unwillingness of western financial institutions to back Russian hardware (like it or lump it, that's a fact).
Asking "which aircraft is better" is a futile question - what do you want it for? It is akin to asking "which is the better car, a Renault people mover or a Ferrari?" Everyone says "Ferrari", and then the rider of "... and you need to move six kids to school every day in it" comes in, and the answer changes...
The OP has a habit of putting these strange questions on fora everywhere, and then either disregarding, or just ignoring the responses. I vote "troll"....
By: Schorsch
- 6th June 2008 at 14:06Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Let's talk spares availability, fleet commonality, customer (and passenger) resistance, as well as fuel burn and the unwillingness of western financial institutions to back Russian hardware (like it or lump it, that's a fact).
Asking "which aircraft is better" is a futile question - what do you want it for? It is akin to asking "which is the better car, a Renault people mover or a Ferrari?" Everyone says "Ferrari", and then the rider of "... and you need to move six kids to school every day in it" comes in, and the answer changes...
The OP has a habit of putting these strange questions on fora everywhere, and then either disregarding, or just ignoring the responses. I vote "troll"....
TA
Of course we can blame the evil Western airlines for not choosing the superior Russian aircraft designs. But considering that in order to earn 1% more Western companies do very wired things, we must conclude, that at least a few airline would take the Il-96 if it was competitive with an A340.
None did, not even those of non-Western airlines.
Actually, even the Russian airlines dislike their own aircraft, despite import taxes.
By: PMN
- 7th June 2008 at 12:36Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It's like comparing a Lada to a Peugeot
Ahh, but which plane is which car? :D
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By: Bhagira
- 7th June 2008 at 12:37Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
on a side but related note. Lately I've been playing this PC game called "Air Management" in America its known as Aerobiz. Its an airline simulation game.
You can buy the Il-96-300 or the A340 for your airlines. Based on the game at least, the Il-96 was cheaper but its higher maintenance and gas costs took a higher chunk of the total revenues of a route while the A340 costed more than twice as much as the Il-96 but had significantly better gas and maintenance costs. Even after several months, despite the A340 being cheaper/more profitable to operate.. it took a very very long time to make up for the costs of being twice as expensive than the Il-96. This of course is just a game :)
yes, its a Big game and when the player playing have no business exposure, marketting stratergy everything goes off-track and the outcome is pretty obvious. Thats what Russian aviation products in open market represent.
It will be hard for some to digest it, but check for the fate for Chiese ARJ. A lot of question remains regarding its built-quality, relaiblity etc
But, will it be a success???
The answer is pretty Obvious, It will be because China have a large market and they are much better Businessmen than the Russians and pretty well know how to promote and sell their stuffs outside their homeland
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By: RyukyuRhymer - 5th June 2008 at 12:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
on a side but related note. Lately I've been playing this PC game called "Air Management" in America its known as Aerobiz. Its an airline simulation game.
You can buy the Il-96-300 or the A340 for your airlines. Based on the game at least, the Il-96 was cheaper but its higher maintenance and gas costs took a higher chunk of the total revenues of a route while the A340 costed more than twice as much as the Il-96 but had significantly better gas and maintenance costs. Even after several months, despite the A340 being cheaper/more profitable to operate.. it took a very very long time to make up for the costs of being twice as expensive than the Il-96. This of course is just a game :)
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By: Schorsch - 5th June 2008 at 16:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
And the author knows his figures from sources like this one.
Airlines in the world know real life figures.
Airline operate A340.
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By: star49 - 5th June 2008 at 16:42 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
World Airlines also get good leases/payment schedules to get A-340 which Russian banks simply cannot compete untill recently. Similar is production rates at factory. It has practically nothing to do with end product comparision. Cash basis economy only IL-96 willl succeed in long term.
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By: RyukyuRhymer - 6th June 2008 at 02:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
and your point is? I've already stated that it is merely a game and thats it.:rolleyes:
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By: TwinAisle - 6th June 2008 at 10:12 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Let's talk spares availability, fleet commonality, customer (and passenger) resistance, as well as fuel burn and the unwillingness of western financial institutions to back Russian hardware (like it or lump it, that's a fact).
Asking "which aircraft is better" is a futile question - what do you want it for? It is akin to asking "which is the better car, a Renault people mover or a Ferrari?" Everyone says "Ferrari", and then the rider of "... and you need to move six kids to school every day in it" comes in, and the answer changes...
The OP has a habit of putting these strange questions on fora everywhere, and then either disregarding, or just ignoring the responses. I vote "troll"....
TA
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By: Schorsch - 6th June 2008 at 14:06 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Of course we can blame the evil Western airlines for not choosing the superior Russian aircraft designs. But considering that in order to earn 1% more Western companies do very wired things, we must conclude, that at least a few airline would take the Il-96 if it was competitive with an A340.
None did, not even those of non-Western airlines.
Actually, even the Russian airlines dislike their own aircraft, despite import taxes.
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By: steve rowell - 7th June 2008 at 11:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It's like comparing a Lada to a Peugeot
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By: PMN - 7th June 2008 at 12:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ahh, but which plane is which car? :D
Paul
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By: Bhagira - 7th June 2008 at 12:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
yes, its a Big game and when the player playing have no business exposure, marketting stratergy everything goes off-track and the outcome is pretty obvious. Thats what Russian aviation products in open market represent.
It will be hard for some to digest it, but check for the fate for Chiese ARJ. A lot of question remains regarding its built-quality, relaiblity etc
But, will it be a success???
The answer is pretty Obvious, It will be because China have a large market and they are much better Businessmen than the Russians and pretty well know how to promote and sell their stuffs outside their homeland
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By: MSR777 - 7th June 2008 at 19:59 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Not all of them do Schorsch......and even a Lada will get you there Steve:)